Open Line 391

July 24, 2020   |   Category: End of the Age   |  

China is sending military planes near Taiwan with increasing frequency in what appears to be a stepping up of its threat to use force to take control of the island. Taiwan fears that the lack of international response to the recent crackdown on Hong Kong by the Chinese will embolden them to move next against Taiwan.

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  1. T. Helms

    Doug, you do not have to post my previous email or you can…that your call completely. I can’t remember if I worded it correctly or not so I want to clarify one part that I remember when a upc minister could be in danger of losing his license if teaching anything OTHER than pretrib. I may have worded it that way or not cant be sure. Anyway one final point. I understand you can never accept or believe anything that is called trinity and I am not trying to persuade you to do so. Until you actually truly STUDY the trinity doctrine you can’t understand it. I don’t say you should study it UNLESS you are teaching others about it. As a young girl many years ago I was a bit taken aback by the term Holy Ghost. A ghost is a disembodied spirit. Is that what Holy Ghost means? Of course not ! I learned it correctly and was completely comfortable about it. The gospel is truth it is simple and understandable as recorded inGod’s word. We don’t have to build an inaccurate and thus confusing base upon which to compare and contrast with the truth. There is only one God. Try to find a way to teach that without misleading leading people that trinity means three gods. Trinity means God is personally revealing himself or relating with man on a personal level through a relationship as Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I know you believe in the Holy Ghost, I know you believe in Jesus, I know you believe in God as Father, (David Bernard admits that)I know you believe they are all three in one and his name is Jesus. Some might say that sounds like a trinity…just sayin’

    • Doug Norvell

      This is straight from the Catholic Encyclopedia. Read through this and see for yourself.
      The dogma of the Trinity
      The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.

      Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: “the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.” In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This, the Church teaches, is the revelation regarding God’s nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man as the foundation of her whole dogmatic system.

      In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word trias (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of “the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom (To Autolycus II.15). The term may, of course, have been in use before his time. Afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian (On Pudicity 21). In the next century the word is in general use. It is found in many passages of Origen (“In Ps. xvii”, 15). The first creed in which it appears is that of Origen’s pupil, Gregory Thaumaturgus. In his Ekthesis tes pisteos composed between 260 and 270, he writes:

      There is therefore nothing created, nothing subject to another in the Trinity: nor is there anything that has been added as though it once had not existed, but had entered afterwards: therefore the Father has never been without the Son, nor the Son without the Spirit: and this same Trinity is immutable and unalterable forever (P.G., X, 986).

      It is manifest that a dogma so mysterious presupposes a Divine revelation. When the fact of revelation, understood in its full sense as the speech of God to man, is no longer admitted, the rejection of the doctrine follows as a necessary consequence. For this reason it has no place in the Liberal Protestantism of today. The writers of this school contend that the doctrine of the Trinity, as professed by the Church, is not contained in the New Testament, but that it was first formulated in the second century and received final approbation in the fourth, as the result of the Arian and Macedonian controversies. In view of this assertion it is necessary to consider in some detail the evidence afforded by Holy Scripture. Attempts have been made recently to apply the more extreme theories of comparative religion to the doctrine of the Trinity, and to account for it by an imaginary law of nature compelling men to group the objects of their worship in threes. It seems needless to give more than a reference to these extravagant views, which serious thinkers of every school reject as destitute of foundation.

    • Hello T. Helms – please go to my post in Irvin Baxter’s “Preparations Being Made For Prophesied Battle” on July 22nd. My post is #4.
      Those scriptures explain who Jesus really is and why there is no such thing as the Trinity as Catholics, Protestants, and most Pentecostal/Charismatic Churches teach it to be.

  2. Glenn kavelaras

    I am confused. Will everyone stand before the Great White Throne at the end of the millennium or is it just for those who lived during those 1000 years.

    • Doug Norvell

      Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
      11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

      Notice the Lake of Fire is the second death, Revelation 20:6 says blessed are those who are in the “First Resurrection” because the second death has no power over them. So, it appears that the Great White Throne Judgement will be on those who are part of the second resurrection, that will come at the end of the 1000 years.

  3. T. Helms

    One of your callers was seeking clarification of the oneness of God. Your answer was spot on correct however my concern is that some of your students seem to have the impression that ‘trinity’ means three gods. Nothing can be further from the truth. I was raised in upc (United Pentecostal church international) and attended upc bible college. All my life I was taught that the trinity means belief in three gods. I now understand that is absolutely not accurate. Anyone who uses the term trinity is describing ONE God. The term means three IN ONE. Indeed all three of the major faiths, namely Christianity, Judaism, Muslims ALL believe in ONE God. According to David K. Bernard “We certainly do acknowledge the Father, Son and Holy Ghost” (Oneness vs. Trinity debate Bernard and Cook 2/23/2012). When I was a teenager in UPC we loved to sing this song: “He’s God I the Father, He’s God in the Son, He’s God in the Holy Ghost He’s God all three in one…”
    Belief in the trinity is exactly as you described you answer about the oneness of God. Granted, some people may misunderstand the trinity because of lack of teaching. Again, the trinity DOES NOT mean three gods and teaching to that effect is incorrect. For great clarification refer to: crossbaptisteufaula.com click on ‘links’ then choose the YouTube message titled “The Bedrock of Baptist Belief-God” start listening at 16:28. Additionally, further study can be done at answersingenesis.org and search trinity. Finally, The trinity IS NOT three gods.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello T.Helms,

      Here is what the Catholic Encyclopedia says about the Trinity: The dogma of the Trinity
      The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.

      Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: “the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.” In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This, the Church teaches, is the revelation regarding God’s nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man as the foundation of her whole dogmatic system.

      Anytime you are talking about three persons, co-equal, co-eternal you can’t be talking about One Lord.

      Colossians 2:9 tells us the fullness of the Godhead is found in Jesus. He isn’t 1/3 of the Godhead, He is the fullness.

      • T. Helms

        Doug, That simply does not compute that the Father, Son or Holy Ghost would only be 1/3 of God. Consider Irvin’s example of himself as a father, son and husband yet he is only one person. Is that to say he only 1/3 husband? Or 1/3 son? See how curious that sounds!? Can Irvin be fully a father, fully a son,fully a husband all three inONE! There is indeed only one God and to indicate that there are three God’s is silliness. I am not calling you silly or Endtimes ministry silly. I love your ministry and fully support it. My only point is clarification that Trinity does not mean three Gods. Have you fully listened to the YouTube reference I provided?

        • Doug Norvell

          I sent you the Catholic definition, straight out of the Catholic Encyclopedia, not Endtime Ministries, I do not believe GOD is three. I believe that the Lord is ONE and His name is JESUS. The Catholic Church made up the doctrine of the trinity at the Constantine Councils.