The Two Witnesses: Who are They?

June 3, 2013   |   Category: Blog   |   Tags: , ,

Who are the two witnesses in the book of Revelation?

“And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.” —Revelation 11:11

They will know their God.  They shall be strong and do exploits.

As pressure for an “international” solution to the Middle East problem mounts with each passing bullet, let us consider what the prophecies forecast for the times just ahead.

 

A global leader will pave the way for Israel to build her Third Temple. Daily sacrifices in the temple will begin. There will be a war in heaven. Satan will be forbidden access to heaven and will no longer be able to function as the “accuser of the brethren.” When this happens, the Bible says that the global leader will walk into Israel’s temple, stop the sacrifices and claim to be Messiah and God. This event, called in the Bible the “abomination of desolation,” will trigger Satan’s 3 1/2 year war against the saints. This time of great tribulation is described in Revelation 13:5-7.

“And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”

It appears that this time of tribulation will come first upon the Jewish settlers of Judea, and then will spread from there to Christians the world over (Revelation 12:13,17). But that’s only half of the picture. The other half, much overlooked, is recorded in Daniel 11:32: “And they that know their God shall be strong and do exploits.” Who is this referring to? Let’s look closer.

 

Daniel 11:31 records the abomination of desolation. That is when Satan begins his 3 1/2-year power trip. But it’s also the same time that two prophets from God receive power from on high for the same 3 1/2 years. This is recorded in Revelation 11:3: “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” The great tribulation will feature the classic battle-good vs. evil.

 

The time for the ministry of the Two Witnesses is close. They are certainly alive on earth right now, but we don’t yet know who they are.

 

The account of the Two Witnesses comes to us sandwiched in the midst of the account of the Seven Trumpets of Revelation. Specifically, we read of them between the 6th and 7th Trumpets. Their ministry, therefore, begins after the 6th Trumpet war and continues until the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. Much debate has raged over these two special prophets of God. Who are they?

Is one of the two witnesses Elijah?

Some have argued very persuasively that one of the Two Witnesses must be Elijah. In Malachi 4:5 we have this prophecy: “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.”

 

It is because of this prophecy that the Jewish people have long looked for Elijah to come, announcing the arrival of the Messiah. Many believe this will happen during the time of the annual Passover feast. This is why every Passover meal has an extra place setting for Elijah, just in case he would appear.

 

During the 16th and 17th centuries, the Jewish people claimed to their Turkish occupiers that Elijah would soon come, entering through the Eastern Gate of the Temple Mount. The prospect of this scared the Turks of the Ottoman Empire so much that they had masons seal up the Eastern Gate. It is still sealed to this day. Oddly, the Turks had no idea that they were fulfilling an incredible prophecy in Ezekiel 44:1-3. The prophecy states that the Eastern Gate would be sealed, because the Lord had entered in by it. (Jesus fulfilled this prophecy when He entered through the Eastern Gate during His triumphal entry, one week before His crucifixion.) The prophecy also states that it would not be opened again until He came back, entering through it again. The Eastern Gate stands sealed until this very moment, awaiting the Second Coming of Jesus. The Turks, in an attempt to prevent one prophecy from being fulfilled, unknowingly fulfilled another!

 

Back to Malachi’s “I will send you Elijah before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.”

 

Many of the Jewish people of the 1st Century puzzled over whether or not this man named Jesus was, in fact, the Messiah. He fed 5,000 with five loaves and two fish. He raised the dead, walked on water, opened blind eyes…What more would Messiah do when He came?

 

One day the disciples came to Jesus asking, if you are Messiah, then where is Elijah? They knew the prophecy said that Elijah must come before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. Jesus answered in Matthew 17:12-13:”But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that He spake unto them of John the Baptist.” So according to Jesus, the Elijah prophecy was fulfilled by the coming of John the Baptist.

Every person must die

Many have insisted that Elijah must be one of the Two Witnesses because he was taken up to heaven in a whirlwind and did not experience death. Hebrews 9:27 teaches that it is appointed unto men once to die. They contend that Elijah’s required death will be accomplished when he dies as one of the Two Witnesses.

 

There is a glaring flaw in this logic. Scripture teaches that the saved on earth at the time of the rapture will never see death. I Corinthians 15:51-54 tells us that we shall not all sleep (die), but that we shall all be changed from mortal to immortality at the last trump. Once we are immortal, we will certainly not be able to come back later and die. If we don’t have to come back to die after the rapture, then Elijah certainly doesn’t have to come back and die either.

Are the two witnesses Moses and Elijah?

Another reason many have thought Elijah would be one of the Two Witnesses is found in Matthew 17:1-3. It says, “And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.” Here, on the Mount of Transfiguration, both Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus.

 

Revelation 11:4 describes the Two Witnesses as “the two olive trees” and “the two candlesticks,” which stand before the God of the earth. Since Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration, many have concluded that they are these “two olive trees.”

 

Another factor that adds credence to the possibility is found by studying Revelation 11:5-6. In these verses we find the Two Witnesses performing the same miracles that Moses and Elijah were noted for during their ministries. If any man tries to hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouths and devour their enemies.

 

Remember that Elijah pulled down fire from heaven and devoured his enemies at one point. The Two Witnesses will have power to cause a drought for the 3 1/2 years of their ministry. Elijah had the power to do the same. They will have power to turn waters into blood. Moses did that in Egypt-Plague #1. The Two Witnesses will have the power to smite the earth with all plagues. This again reminds of the ministry of Moses.

 

Now for the problems with this view: The Bible states that Moses died and God buried him. If Moses were to be one of the Two Witnesses, he would have to be reincarnated and then die the second time. Elijah would also have to be  reincarnated since by now he would be nearly 3,000 years old.

 

We don’t have one example of reincarnation in the Bible. We also don’t have any record where a person from a previous generation came back to earth to preach. These factors preclude, in my mind, the possibility of Moses and Elijah returning to earth as the Two Witnesses.

Do Two Witnesses symbolize Israel and the church?

Another very prominent opinion states that the Two Witnesses represent the Jewish and the Gentile church. This is not illogical since symbols are used prominently throughout the book of Revelation. Here is the reason some people believe this theory:

 

In Romans 11:24-25, the Apostle Paul refers to Israel as the tame olive tree and to the Gentiles as a wild olive tree. Revelation 11:4 says the Two Witnesses are “the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.” From these two passages it has been deduced that there would be, in the end time, a Gentile church and a Jewish church witnessing in the earth.

 

To some, this is quite a persuasive argument. However, the prophecy concerning the Two Witnesses calls them two prophets. It also says they will be killed and lie in the street for three and one-half days. I see no logical way that a nation or a church could be killed and lay in the streets. These two prophets will be two literal men.

Conclusion

The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 will not be the Jewish and the Gentile church. They will not be Moses and Elijah reincarnated.

 

John the Baptist was not literally Elijah; yet Jesus said that he fulfilled the Elijah prophecy because he came in the spirit and power of Elijah. Likewise, the Two Witnesses will be two ordinary people that apparently come in the spirit and power of Moses and Elijah. These two prophets are almost certainly alive on this earth right now, and are being prepared by God for the ministry for which they have been ordained.

 

The time for the revelation of the Antichrist and False Prophet is near. These two men will be Satan’s two witnesses.

 

God has an answer for Satan’s master plan. He will present His Two Witnesses to the world. They will preach the full truth of God’s Word for three and one-half years. They will then die in Jerusalem. After 3 1/2 days, they will be resurrected and caught up into the sky.

 

Yes, Satan’s messengers will deceive the world and corrupt the people of the world by his flatteries. But, the people who know their God shall be strong and do exploits!

 

By Irvin Baxter
Endtime Magazine – Mar / Apr 2003

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127 Responses to “The Two Witnesses: Who are They?”

  1. Why does everybody on this site call the two prophets the two witnesses? They can’t be both! But I will say the two prophets preach out of the two witnesses, why? Because it says the two witnesses have lived for one thousand two hundred and sixty years that’s 1260 years. A day in Bible prophecy equals one year. The longest living man in the Bible lived for 969 years. The Bible has three ways of writing this. (1st) TIME, TIMES, and HAVE a TIME. (2nd) 42 MONTHS (3rd) ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED and THREESCORE DAYS. All 3 are the same time frame. A TIME = 1 Biblical year of 360 days, TIMES = twice as long so 2 years = 720, and have a TIME is 6 months. Total them up = ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND 60 years, thats 1260 literal years the two witnesses went through, So they are not called the two witnesses, again the two prophets preach out of the two witnesses that’s the OLD and NEW Testaments. Also 42 MONTHS = 3.5 years. Blessings

    • Doug Norvell

      Joseph,

      This is what the scripture says;
      Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my (two witnesses), and they shall (prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days), clothed in sackcloth.

      This time period is the 3 1/2 years during the great tribulation.

    • Good response Joseph, but how are the Old Testament and New Testament going to be lying dead in the streets for three and a half days if not in the 2 prophets? These 2 prophets will be One with all that has ever come before them. In them is all the Old Testament and the New. In essence the 2 prophets will be witnessing all that God has ever done, is doing, and will ever do. Not sure what you are eluding to?

  2. Matthew you are free to believe what you chose about the book of Revelation it does not affect your salvation in Christ but as you said in time we will all know weather you speak for Christ or not which I believe will be in about 2022 because the 3rd world war will start in that year as we run towards it now around the Euphrates river till then God bless sorry I will not argue scripture with you or anyone else as this only brings strife and contention in ones heart and I won’t do that to anyone because that is not in the image of Christ God bless

    • Just so you all know I did not pull this date out of my hat it came as the second half of a two part message that I believe was given too me in 2008 I already spoke of the first part that was fulfilled in 2015 seven years from 2008 and the other half was to be fulfilled 7 years after 2015 which is 2022 and it came through Gen 18,19,20 and Judges 18,19,20 2 Tim 3 1 Peter 4 when and if you read these chapters think about what is going on in the world today for the day draws near and if you are not watching He will come as a thief in the night and you will be caught with no oil in your lamp God Bless

  3. It is as you say about these 7 examples you have given from the Scriptures being a type of the simple Truth of Lord Jesus Christ’s Death Burial and Resurrection. And yes, in Paul’s hour, he would warn the newly formed Churches about departing from the Truth by believing lies. I think it is good to note that what Paul was speaking of in Galatians was trying to live up to God’s Holy Standards outside of God’s Grace performing it within a Son of God’s heart – In other words, performing one’s own works – having begun in the Spirit, but then reverting back to the Law and the deeds of the Law. And then in Corinth, the Church there primarily had certain sins that were being allowed to continue (along with other things), and Paul was warning that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. What he was witnessing about was, if one has received the Grace of God unto salvation – and not by the works of the Law – then the fruit of this experience in Christ is going to put to death these works of sin in one’s flesh so that they no longer have life to display themselves in the lives of True Believers. But if one follows the law, then these sins will have strength and surface (Romans 6,7, & 8). I do hear your careful warning though in departing from the Truth through being deceived by slightly twisted words of God’s Truth.
    As I have written in my first response to you on July 16th, I gave my reason of where I receive my understanding in the things of the Lord. It comes from my experience in the Lord’s Salvation. As His Spirit performs the Lord Jesus Christ’s Death Burial and Resurrection in my spirit man, revelation is given of this work that is happening. From this work of the Lord is how I interpret the scriptures. It is as I said in that post ⇾ A person must also have the same Spirit, which these 40 Men of God had, in order to properly interpret the Scriptures and to experience what these 40 men themselves had written about and experienced. The work that the Lord has begun in me He shall finish the same. If, I in some way play a part in my salvation and in the maintaining of my salvation, then I am back to performing the works of the Law. But it is by God’s Grace alone that I am where I am at today and see what I see of His redemptive plan going forward. God works the work and my spirit follows suit. At no time can I be deceived, unless the Lord has me being deceived. I started out completely deceived in who He is as my Creator and God. But over time, He has directed my path and has led me into His Truth. If not for Him I would be stuck where I was at in much darkness and sin. And if He at any time were to withdraw His saving hand off of my Life, I would surely revert back to my old wicked self. This idea today that once one becomes saved by God’s Grace, they then have to do all that they can do to line up with God’s word – that’s the preaching of the Law at its finest. Unless God causes a person to line up with His written word they never will, all they will produce are the works of self righteousness. I know this because in my earlier years I was filled with much self-righteousness. But thank God He exposed it and removed it. I also must say that our maturing in the Lord there is no set time period, other than we all must suffer for our faith in Christ. The suffering works His Glory and brings our perfection. It may be quick in some Sons of God, where in others they may be babes in Christ their whole lives. What part do we truly play in our maturing? None. God seasons His whole Body with many members who all display something a little different from one another, so that when combined together as a whole we then display the fullness of Christ.
    When I came into the Lord’s Salvation back in 2003, I did want to know everything about the Lord. And that has not changed today. The Faith of the Lord Jesus Christ within me gives me the desire to know all things. For all things are mine to know, just as it is for all the Bride of Christ to know all things about God our Creator. Whether it happens in my physical lifetime or when I am Transformed at the Lord’s 2nd coming, it will happen at some point. But it is the Lord that gives me my understanding when He wants to give it, and not according to when I want it. My flesh has believed many wrong things in the past, but the Lord straightens out everything in His time.
    The brothers that I was around back in the day also believe that the Beast system/the Great whore was the Roman Catholic Church. But over time that has changed for me. The picture has come into focus more. There has already been a religious ruling head on the beast system, the 6th head was the pope ruling for 1000 years. That head changed when the King of England broke away from the Catholic Church forming the 7th head. Which head, was wounded by the American Revolutionary War. America has now matured and will soon be shown as the 8th head that comes out of the 7th and heals the whole middle east. There is more to be shown and revealed about this beast system and these verses, but however this plays out, there is absolutely no way that I see a religion is going to be ruling this system ever again, the Muslims will not allow it -who are a part of this system. The Catholic Church will not be able to bring a peace and heal this wounded beast system, but America will, who incorporates within her all religions.
    We live in a very unique hour within Church History, everyone says that they have the Spirit of the Lord, and yet the Church world is filled with confusion and many different beliefs in who God is and what He is doing. In Paul’s hour the Truth was very plain in who was who, but not so with us. So, how do we know who to believe to be following the Spirit of the Lord? Their experience in the forgiveness of their sin. If one has Truly experienced the forgiveness of their sin, then all else will fall in line in its proper time. If, a man thinks in his heart to sin, then he is still in his sin. It is easy in this hour to suppress sin through self righteousness and fear of judgment from others, so that on the outside one might display to others that they are born again. But within they can’t hide it from themselves, including judging others to lift oneself up. These thoughts, all of them, need to be dealt with. The desires, all of them, need to be dealt with. It is a cleansing of one’s conscience, a purifying of one’s soul. For without that, one won’t see God. It is upon this experience that the first church was built, and that all revelation was given, found in the Churches letters to us. My old life filled with sin and judgment, is being removed by the Lord’s working in my spirit. I no longer believe, think, feel, or desire what I used to. I am not suppressing it, it just doesn’t exist any longer within me. And the removal of my sin has created a New Work that is filled with power and worship towards the Lord for causing me to inherit His Eternal Life. The sin and the spirit behind the sin no longer has power over me, and at some point when the Lord will’s it, I will give this work unto others freeing them from their sin too. This is my witness and why I see the things I see. The Lord Bless.

  4. And if we count the book of Jeremiah that’s 7 ways and if we count Noah that’s 8 ways for as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the last days men giving and taking in marriage and going on with there lives with no concern or care for the Lord they laughed Noah to scorn as he warned them of what was coming it took Noah 100 years to build the ark and the laughed at him for that long but when the rains came they ran to the ark to be saved but it was to late the DOOR that no man can open was SHUT does that bring to remembrance the things He has said unto you? Back to Sodom an Gomorrah so the angels went to the city to warn Lot and while they were there the perverted men of the city tried to force there homosexual life style on them does that sound familiar for this day? And Lot went out to try to reason with them and the Angel of the Lord came out grabbed Lot and pulled him back in and blinded the men with a light and they grouped for the door all night but could not find it in today’s terms of what is happening it means the Lord sent them great delusion s that they might believe a lie that they might not find the Door that leads to life everlasting then Lot was taken out of the city by the angels ( the rapture) then came judgement wheat and tares parable Matt 13 24-30 then we all know the story of Jeremiah and how he pleaded with the people to return to the Lord and all these things will not come unto you Jeremiah is the shadow of the Lord and Isreal is a shadow of the world and how the Lord will plead with the people in the first half of the tribulation then we have the story of the Daninites and what they did how when they found their land they took a false God and set it up before them and over time they fell far from God and once again we are homosexuality and perversion set into the hearts of men but this story take a little bit of a different path when the men come to the house the home owner goes out and pleads with them not to do this thing and he offers his Virgin daughter’s to them and they refuse them but then the Judge throws his wife that had played the harlot to them and they took her and knew her and abused her all night and she returns to him in the morning only to die with her hand at the threshold of the door and this part of the story I’m reminded of the great harlot that sits upon the beast in Revelation and how she has played the harlot with the world and they shall hate the harlot make her desolate and naked eat her flesh and burn her with fire Revelation 17:16 this I hate to say is the Roman Catholic Church and if any of you have taken the course that end times offers on the book of Revelation at JPC college you know this to be true our Father which is in heaven gave us this story well over 2000 years ago for as He has said in Ecc3:15 that which is has already been and what is to be has already been and God requires an account of what is past God bless and keep you all in Christ Jesus

  5. I do not consider myself to be a wise man but a simple man all that has been taught to me was by the Holy Spirit I have never sought after the teachings of men until I came across Irving Baxter’s teachings of the book of Revelation for 30 years I read only the Word of God taking the simple things that I understood and doing my best to employ them into my life and leaving the things that I didn’t understand alone because I was not old enough to understand them the Lord will always teach us the basics of His word and then wait on us to employ them and as we grow He shows us a little more and a little more when we are able to understand it as He wants us to understand His Word to compare it to a baby first we drink milk then we start to eat baby food a paste if you will then we start to eat vegetables and when we are able and have teeth we start to chew meat sometimes this takes up to 20 years to happen or longer it all depends on what we do with what the Lord is trying to show us and if we employ it into our lives don’t try to rush your understanding because this leads to misunderstanding let the Lord work in you at His pace according to His purpose in your life some things He may never teach us because it’s not what He has in mind for you don’t worry about what you don’t understand worry about what you do understand and employ it into your living( put off the old man and put on the new for you are a new creation in Christ Jesus ) I learned the word in this manner it wasn’t easy to do as I wanted to understand so much in a short period of time but that’s not good for us because when we are young in Christ we are easily deceived by partial truth’s that how Eve was deceived by partial truth’s because Satan is the king of liars and the father there of so he knows well how to slightly twist the Word of God look at the world today and how he has done this even in the church’s Paul warned against all this to the church of Corinth and the Galatians they were young and yet the were so easily turned from the simple truth that he taught them show to show you what I mean by applying the simple Truth of Christ to the scripture that we read the Holy Spirit that is with in me has put it in my heart to( take out of my treasure box something old and make it new ) we all know the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and that this is a story of a shadow of things to come so who do you think Abraham is a shadow of to me he is Christ at the cross as he begs with the Angel of the Lord to show Mercy to the people as He is the God of Mercy even if He finds ten righteous men show Mercy and Christ said forgive them Father for they know not what they do He begged Mercy for the people and because He gave His Life for our sins there are more then 10 righteous men in this world for we were made righteous by His blood that was shed for us so God showed us His Mercy as the parable that Christ spoke of the wheat and the tares that must grow up together in the field do not root up the tares lest you root up the wheat also let them grow together and at harvest time you shall gather the tares first and bind them up to be burned and put the wheat in my barns do you see the simple similarities three ways the Lord has told us the same thing and if we count the book of Revelation and the book of Daniel it’s five ways and if we count Judges 18 we can see another way that He tells us again the same shadow of things to come I hope you understand when I get a chance I will come back to this till then God bless and may you be filled with the Spirit of Truth that is found in Christ Jesus Amen

  6. Your explanation for the two witnesses was just as I have learned in the past. Your rebuttal of other explanations was very logical. I have always believed that they were two literal humans empowered by God .

  7. Greetings Jimbob,
    We live in an hour when the boundaries and laws that have held natural man at bay are being removed. A strong delusion has swept this land and much of the world today. Anything goes, as long as you don’t condemn the next man. In other words, the laws are being bent or changed to suit sin, and sin is increasing exponentially. If someone stands up for some natural right, they are persecuted and called a bigot or a racist, when they’re neither. Don’t anyone dare talk about religion, or at least don’t claim one is right while the rest are wrong! On the other end of the spectrum, Christendom no longer has the answer or the power to combat this blatantly wicked state. All are losing strength, and slowly all of mankind is succumbing to something America never used to be. Even the very core of life itself, the natural order of a family itself, is under serious attack. No longer is it a man and female creating a child. Creation openly worships itself as being god now, through and through. This is the state of Lukewarmness at its finest. This is the state of this 1st Creation, this natural and carnal realm – purposed by God Himself to be this way. He has sent the world a strong delusion. Why? Because we are at the end, where God is about to receive all Glory, and the world will not in any shape or form take any credit that they have done anything, when God does come on the scene to show Himself and what He has been doing since the very beginning. He needs this immense fire stoked and billowing in order to perfect His 2 witnesses coming up here to Resurrect His Holy Temple.
    The Lord has led me here to this blog to strike up conversations with you 2 gentlemen in the Lord. Nothing is by chance or mere coincidence, in the least of things and/or especially in the greatest of things. For the moment we still have some type of freedom to speak on the things of the Lord without suffering for it in America. This blog being one of them, is greatly appreciated. I absolutely love talking about the things of the Lord with you, or anyone for that matter, who wants to talk about Him and His End-times. It allows the Lord to reveal the things in my flesh that still needs to be dealt with, and at the same time causes His Truth in me to multiply and grow in strength.
    As for my speech, the Lord directs my path and gives me the words to say. Over the years He has slowly chipped away the hardness of my heart, the pride, and the anger that would cause me to give an answer that would reflect ME and not Him. If I sound harsh at this moment in what I write, my heart tells me that this is not the hour for soft comforting words. The lukewarm fire blazes all around us, and a strong word is needed to cut through the suffocating smoke and darkness that blankets the whole entire world. Maybe perchance I will awake someone up and pull them out of the fire and save their soul. As the Lord moves me, I am made to follow. Not by my will, but against my will is this Word pressed upon me to speak and to do. Over the years, because of what the Lord has been doing in me, I have no real friends, no company, and for the most part my natural family has disowned me as if I have some type of disease. Even my brothers in Christ don’t agree with what I say and believe, and so have over time separated themselves from me too. I have no following, no Church to Preach to, no conversation whatsoever with anyone. My flesh hates it! “Bend a little and be brought back into the fold” it says to me. But God does not allow it. I am forced to see what I see. It is because of my experience in the Lord that I believe the things I do. Can I speak against the Son of God that I am being Created into? The little comfort that God gives me in this hour, is that He allows me to have a website and a podcast to release the burning fire within my bones. And He lets me to have passing conversations now and then with others. It does ease the pain a little and brings some comfort. The only real peace that I truly have is the confidence that I have the Truth in the things that I see and believe about the Lord.
    I don’t seek the internet and blogs because I am trying to get a better understanding of the Lord and what He is doing in this hour, as if I am not sure yet or not rooted and grounded in Him. I absolutely have at this moment the cutting edge of His present Living Revelation within me changing me into His Resurrected Image. No, I seek the internet to have fellowship with others around the Word that God has already given to me and is currently adding to me. Not saying that I am unteachable or that I have already attained that which I pressed towards, what I am saying is the overall picture that I do have is what it is, and it is according to this picture that the Lord is going to transform the Heaven and this physical creation into. This is what I seek to have fellowship with.
    I would like to clarify one thing to you, I have been in Christianity my whole entire life. I was brought up in the church and knew much of the scriptures by the time I was 18. What was lacking in me though, was a correct understanding of God’s written Word. It wasn’t until I was 23 that I came across a few Sons of God who were able to bring some much-needed Light to God’s Word for me, that helped clear up some of the confusion that plagued my mind and heart about God and who He is and what He is doing presently. Still though, that was not enough for me. I pressed into God even more after I got that taste of His Good Word. In 2005 is when I began to experience His Spirit, and it is according to this experience that has been transforming me each and every day since. It is according to this experience in Him that I have been given judgement and interpretation of His Living Word. I began to see that God’s written word was one big parable, and that it is impossible to receive any true understanding unless God Himself gives it to a person by His Spirit. One can’t will this to happen, God does it to whom He wants to do it to and how He wants to do it according to the Lord Jesus Christ’s Death Burial and Resurrection.
    A prime example of the Word being one huge parable is the Lord’s Death Burial and Resurrection itself. Jesus Christ witnessed over and over and over again in the book of John, that His works and His word and His Name were not His, but the Father that sent Him. So that being the case then, the cross itself was also a reflection of the Father too. Well how can this be? I will tell you. The Father Himself has sacrificed of Himself, took of His Spirit, to create all things (this fallen creation) for the purpose of creating His 2nd Creation. God wanted to create a Wife. Simplicity at it’s finest. If the Word is interpreted according to this foundational Truth, then one will begin to see that all things that happen are to perfect His Wife by first her being found in a position of being separated from God and not being able to do anything about it – powerless to raise herself up. So that God can create in each of His Sons that He alone has all power to create by raising them out of their helpless separated state back into His Eternal presence. He does it through His Son Jesus Christ, who likewise had to be perfected in this Truth also (Heb 5:8-9). In other words, Jesus, though He knew the Truth, had to experience the Truth of the Father having all Power by first being separated from Him and then being Resurrected back into His Presence by the Father’s command alone (Jn 10:18). It is this work that He poured out at Pentecost. The parable then is this, the Lord’s cross, because of our sin, is only the surface view that hides what the Father has done from the very beginning. Yes, Jesus’ work of His Cross was needed, but so too was sin needed, so that He along with the rest of creation could be separated from God in order to experience, upon our Resurrection, that we have no life outside of God. How else to experience this? This is the True sacrifice that Jesus reflected.
    As for the 2 witnesses dying at the end of the 7-year Tribulation period, how would those walking into the millennium be perfected in the Truth? The Jews at this moment don’t believe in the cross. They have never been perfected in their hearts to the Truth. And this they must experience through suffering for it. How are they to suffer within themselves, if the 2 witnesses don’t die first and pour their experience out for them to receive it in their hearts? And once they receive it, there has to be a period of time for them to walk by Faith, suffering for it, and not by sight. Unless you don’t believe in the Millennial reign.
    There are 3 different periods within God’s Redemptive Plan. Those whose works are White Raiment, those who have Fine Linen works, and those who are clothed in White Robes. White Raiment are the old Testament Saints who are sitting on Thrones at this moment. The Fine Linen Saints are the Church Age Bride Saints. And the White Robe Saints are those who receive salvation from the 2 witnesses pouring their work out in the Lord to them at the halfway mark. Some of them will be killed in the Great Tribulation period – 5th Seal opened. The simplicity of the Gospel is, you receive the Truth and suffer for it unto death, only then the Resurrecting Life comes to save you up out of your sufferings. Jesus Christ told His disciples that it was needful for Him to leave them, so too will the 2 witness tell the Jews that.
    Look I am in no way just talking some off the wall stuff here. There is substance and weight to what I say in the Lord, if the 2 witnesses have something to offer to the Bride along with the Jews too, then they best be able to explain the Heavenly side and why the 2 witnesses are witnessing in the first place. What is the point of all of this, all facets of the 70th week of Daniel, and not just the earthly side of what’s happen here, but what is happening in Heaven to bring these events to pass on the earth and why.
    Peace to you Jimbob and to Doug

  8. Matthew I write this to you today because I stand corrected in the Lord this morning as I was thinking of you and myself and where I was 30 + years ago I heard a sermon by Michael Youssef about Jonah and he called it( surely not me Lord and most definitely not them ) but this IS what we are called to in Christ Jesus Amen

  9. Matthew please don’t get upset at us ( Doug Norvell or myself) we speak to you because we care about you . You have been given a gift in Christ . You were brought here by the Lord to hear somethings . The Lord has poured a lot into you in a very short period of time and when He does this we have a tendency to get somethings a little mixed up having been there myself the Lord poured a lot into me in a year’s time my Pastor asked me how long I had been reading the word and I told him 1 year and he said really you have the understanding of someone who has been in Christ for 20 years I was very young in Christ but much had been poured into me and I got somethings a little mixed up because I tried to lean on my own understanding of the word and not on what the word simple taught me. I made a promise to the Lord back then that I would not read any man’s writings but that I would only read the Word of God as the scripture tells us we need not anyone to teach us for we have been given a teacher and He will lead us into all truth and bring into remembrance all things that He has said unto you. So I set out to read only the Bible and learn to understand the simplest things first because I am a simple man with a simple mind a simple heart and a simple understanding but it is in the simple things that lies the greater understanding of the Word of God every time we look at the greater things in the Word we must always apply the simple things to it and stay in line with the simplicity of Christ. God says what He means and means what He says He always stays in line with the simplicity that we find in Christ. As I read your writing and listen to you podcasts. I am reminded by the Holy Spirit of what He has said unto me ( out of the abundance of the heart proceeds the mouth) and by your words the Lord tells me your heart you have a strong desire to speak the truth of the word to the people and you have a strong desire to speak of His second coming it is a very overwhelming desire you love Christ with all your heart that is very evident. You also have a desire to bring the faith of Christ into the hearts of men so I say once again to you you must learn to intertwine your words with the words of the Lord as you are one with Him and He is one with you. your words must be one with His words ( for faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God) you said what you believe is very controversial to what the main stream church teaches trust me when I say this what Irving Baxter teaches about the book of Revelation does not follow the main stream but what he does teach is the truth in the simplicity of Christ and in the simplicity of the Word of God God gave all the answers to His Words in His Word and if we don’t teach them in that simplicity then we will be counted among the goats and the chaff and He WILL say to us depart from me for I never knew you so please take into consideration what Doug has told you for it is the truth in it’s simplest form and please consider signing up to JPC college and learn the simple truth about Revelation this is the only time I have ever learned the word of God from another man and I only do so because I know in the deepest parts of my heart it is the simple truth because I am a simple man in Christ Jesus. And it is in the simplicity of the word that we find the plan simple truth psalm 119:130 psalm 131:1 acts 2:46 2Corinthians 1:12 and 11:1-4 may the Lord bless and may you be filled with His Spirit of Truth for you are loved in Christ Jesus

  10. We know that the 2 witnesses are actual people. We know that God has determined their identity. We know that they do works from the mid to end of the great tribulation (3 1/2yrs). We know that when they are raised, the description of events is the same as described as the rapture everywhere in the Bible. Even as described by Jesus himself. We know that they lay dead for 3 1/2 days before being resurrected or dare I say raptured! Figured it out yet? When these 2 get killed LOOK UP YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NEAR! We may not know the hour but we will have about a 3 1/2 day heads up on the rapture! And we know it’s not pre-tribulation or mid-tribulation.

  11. While it is true that we may not know personally who the 2 witnesses are, what we all can say and walk in Faith according to, is that all of us – all of the Bride of Christ, are all ONE with them in their work that they shall be performing in the first half of Daniel’s 70th week. And exactly what work that they shall be performing – is the FULL manifested display of their victory over sin and death by the Lord Jesus Christ empowering them to do so in the face of all sin and death surrounding them. It is the show down of all show downs. The world will be displaying that they worship sin and death by their works coming against them, ultimately putting them to death. BUT the 2 witnesses final work will display the Truth that they had been witnessing about all along, that God our Father in Jesus Christ has all Power and is the Giver of all life, and that He is Truly in control of all things and all events for His purpose and for His Glory. God our Father being the Giver of Life, then who has the power to take His Given Life away? NO ONE, that’s who, for the 2 witnesses will prove this by raising up from the dead in Glorified Bodies to sit down on the right hand and on the left of the Lord Jesus Christ in Heaven. Then these 2 witnesses will pour out their Full resurrecting work of the Lord Jesus Christ in the Earth, and those who were one with their testimony while they were on earth, will then also experience their Full Rapture too.

    • Hello to you Doug,
      The main theme or cycle displayed throughout the Old Testament, and especially in the New Testament, is pretty much always the same. Israel (the Sons of God) are found in sin. God sends a witness to them that is NOT walking in their sin, but Salvation, to display to them the Truth of God’s Righteousness. This individual, whether a prophet, Jesus Christ Himself, or one of the 5 fold ministry of the New, speaks the Truth of mankind’s need to repent and turn to God or judgment knocks at the door. They almost always appear before the impending judgment, not during or after. Though there are occasions that this may vary, the judgment usually always follows only AFTER Israel rejects the Truth as a whole. How do they reject? They shut the mouths of the witness. But there are those individuals within who do believe in their witness, who are the Elect of God, and who have been waiting on God to redeem them out of the mess they are stuck in. Here’s the thing, the judgment still must always come. Why? Because those who do believe in the Lord’s witness MUST BE TRIED AND PERFECTED IN WHAT THEY BELIEVE. That is the only way for any Son of God to be perfected and given Eternal Life. There must be a period of time for them to experience the suffering for the Truth, for the Life to spring forward in the believer’s hearts. The Sons of God must suffer the contrary to what they know to be True. How does that happen? They are promised life and yet the contrary is all around them, impending death is happening at every corner. What do they believe? In sight? Or in the Faith given to them in their heart that God will save them out of their impending doom?
      There is no greater witness of this than Jesus Christ’s Witness. He Preached and Prophesied for 3-1/2 the Forgiveness of our sin. How do we know His witness was true? By faith, we know He rose from the dead. He was Life and death could not hold Him. BUT before He could give His experience unto His Church, He first had to go into Heaven before He could pour out His Salvation. Why? Because He had to anoint all the Angels with His Resurrecting Work, and the Righteous Angels went forward at Pentecost and anointed the 120 in the upper room. Now it was time for the church to be perfected in what they believe. Now they had the Lord’s Faith and Power in their hearts. Now they had to suffer contrary to this Faith in their heart, just as the witness did. But they have the Hope too of the witness, that lets them know that just as Jesus raised up from the dead so too will they at some point. For 2000 the church has suffered and died in their Faith in the Lord. Not one has Resurrected yet into the Fullness of Life. They all have suffered natural judgment.
      My point is this, there has to be a witness first to display the Lord’s Truth for those seeking the Lord’s Salvation to see the Truth to be True in order to believe in. Then the witness is taken off the scene. So that now the Faith in the living believers might have her perfect work. Power is now given to the believers for them to suffer the contrary, so that this seed of Truth in them can bring forth fruit unto Life.
      The 2 witnesses will, for the first half of the week, display the Full power of the Lord’s forgiveness of sin. They will be put to death for this witness, but because they are without sin in Christ, they will raise up from the dead. But what about the rest of the believers? How are they to experience this Truth too? These 2 witnesses must do as the Lord has done 2000 years ago, they must go into Heaven and anoint the Angels with their work and then pour it out upon all mankind. Isa 60 Zach 13 The believers then will go forth in Great power. If the witnesses don’t die at the halfway mark how will the rest of the world receive their work to be perfected by?
      The difference between the Lord’s first coming and His second is very simple. His first coming was hid in parables and weakness of man’s standards. The 2 witnesses will not hide behind sayings and natural weakness. They will openly be displayed for 7.5 Billion people to see in Great Power. Their Resurrection will not be hid but will be on Full display. Their out pouring will Resurrect/Rapture the Bride of Christ, who will then cast out satan. It is called the Great Tribulation Period. Why? Because for 3-1/2 years satan is no longer in heaven but in the earth destroying the entire world and all those who are connected to him. But those who believe in the Truth of the 2 witnesses will be saved and will walk out into the Millennium.

      • Doug Norvell

        Hello Matthew,
        In Revelation 10, we see that John receives a vision, this vision is the exact same vision Daniel sees in Daniel 12, John is told this will happen in the days of the seventh angel, but Daniel is told a more specific time.

        Revelation 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

        Daniel 12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

        So Daniel is told that these things will be finished after the 3 1/2 years of tribulation, John is told the Mystery of God is finished with the 7th Angel.

        Revelation 11, says the Two Witnesses will begin their ministry and it will last for 42 months, that is 3 1/2 years. Then it says the Antichrist kills them, so the antichrist must be revealed by then, we know he isn’t revealed until halfway into the final 7 years. When he kills them they lay in the street for 3 1/2 days, then they are raised, then at the same time the 7th Trumpet sounds and the Lord sets up Hid kingdom and the Prophets and Saints are rewarded. (The Rapture).

        Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

        In conclusion, it appears from scripture that their witness is for the final 3 1/2 years during the tribulation period.

      • Doug,
        Isa 6:1-5, Ez 1-10, Dan 7:9-14, Dan 12, Rev 1, Rev 10, and many many more are the faint vision in types and images of the Kingdom of God coming forth and establishing itself in the hearts of man and in all of this first creation. They vary in viewpoints and over different periods of time, but the over arching theme is that it is the Spiritual realm coming forward and doing this, not the physical creation itself. The physical realm only reflects what has already begun in the Spiritual. There is a hierarchy within this Spiritual Kingdom which can be seen in Rev 4-5 that shows the order of command, the Throne – the Living 4 Beasts – 24 Elders – and the angels being the least. In Rev 1:15 we see the feet of the Lord’s body to be like unto fine brass, but in Rev 10:1 they have changed into pillars of fire. The feet are represented here to be the Believers here on this earth, where the Spiritual realm connects with this physical fallen creation. Something has happened here for the True believers to be as Pillars of fire, to shine forth as the brightness of the firmament. Dan 12:3 says the wise shall shine forth. Not just 2, but many. How are they going to shine forth? Something has happened to cause them to shine, whereas they didn’t before. Something Spiritual has happened, and their hearts were changed to now go forward in Great power, displaying the Righteousness of the Lord God. It says that there was a little book that was opened in the hand of the Archangel Rev 10:2. What is this little book? It is individual salvation Fully to be experienced now in this physical realm within believers, giving them complete victory over everything, though some may be martyred as per God the Father’s will. How is this little book now opened? Because, the Big Scroll sealed with 7 Seals is now opened. What is this Big Scroll of Rev 5:1? It is the totality of God’s entire Creation and Him bringing forth His Plan of Redemption in all His Sons of God. There is a certain order of opening up and experiencing of His Plan of Redemption within the Spiritual realm and within the hearts of His Children. Very precise order of events must and will transpire for the fulfillment of God to give forth His Eternal Life unto us. God is not combating satan at every twist and turn trying to outmaneuver him. It is God Himself through Jesus Christ, that is releasing these seals causing satan to go forward. To do what? Only through trials and tribulation are the Sons of God perfected, it is the only way God will give unto us His Eternal Spirit of Life. We must experience that we are not the ones who have life, though we do exist for the moment, But we have life because God has given us His Life through great sacrifice to Himself. And it is only through suffering that we experience this Truth. The final 7th Seal when it is opened in the Spiritual must now be reflected and experienced in this physical realm. How is it reflected in the physical? It is through the 7 trumpets sounding. The Trumpets are for the final perfecting of the 2 witness. Only then can the little book be opened in the Hand of the Archangel (image of God’s Kingdom) for the everlasting Gospel to go forward in the 144,000 to all the nations of the world.
        What happens when John (types out the end-time Sons of God) eats the book? It is sweet to the taste, but when reality sets in and God’s Sons experience the fuller Salvation of the Lord, the Truth causes sufferings and trails to come to pass in their lives. Did Jesus’ disciples experience any real hardships while Jesus walked with them during His earthly ministry? Not at all. They were under a certain protection then and walked by sight of seeing the Lord’s Salvation right in front of them. But only through sufferings would His disciples experience True Salvation. Did they have His Spirit within them then? Not yet. It wasn’t until He went into Heaven would they receive His work at the cross within them, and that was only in part not in the Full measure. This happened at Pentecost, where they were empowered within them to begin to display the Salvation of the Lord themselves. By faith, they walked with the Lord now and not by sight. They experienced many trails from that point forward to establish His Image within them and in those who believed in their report.
        Dan 9:27 says “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” What does the antichrist cut off? Are the Jews sacrificing animals again? Not at all. This speaks of what the animals have always typed out, the Son of God, and this verse speaks specifically about the 2 witnesses – for they will be representing and manifesting the Fullness of Jesus Christ’s work He experienced on the cross. The antichrist will put them to death at the halfway mark.
        The order of events is as follows: The first half of Dan 70th week pertains to Israel and her experiencing judgment – 7 trumpets, to get ready her Sons of God to take over the world. The 2nd half of Dan 70th week will pertain to the nations of the world and them experiencing their judgment – 7 vials, to perfect those who will believe in the 144,000. The beast system must be healed. What is the beast system? Namely, the Roman empire and all her territory, which extends over to the border with India. Pakistan eastward. It must be one system working together. How will that ever happen? America is about to do it, with the office of the President taking the lead. Whoever will be the President that does this will be the antichrist. He will establish a covenant (image of the beast Rev 13:11-18) with many Nations including Israel. Carnal natural peace will finally be experienced. Will the Temple be built by this peace treaty? Not at all. For the Dome of the Rock sits where the Temple belongs. To build the Temple that would cause war with all Muslim nations, not peace. But the Temple must be built for the antichrist to sit in it showing he has had power over the 2 witnesses, putting them to death. He will claim “See I put their God to death” (Thess 2:4). The 2 witnesses witness for 2260 days. They shall be the ones who build the Temple where the Dome of the Rock is. Reflecting the Spiritual Temple that the Lord has been building for the past 2000 years. It will be this that causes the President to call on carnal Israel to stop these 2, by all means necessary. Because they are threatening his peace treaty, especially with the Muslim Nations. When Israel tries to, the Trumpets begin to sound. Judgment comes upon the wicked of Israel. But because carnal Israel is unable to shut the 2 witnesses up, the President will have to come in and do it, right around the halfway mark – 5th Trumpet. After the 2 witnesses raise up from the dead the 6th Trumpet sounds – great earthquake happens. The graves are opened and the dead in Christ shall rise and those who remain will be raptured. How? The 2 witnesses will have poured out their experience in the Spiritual Realm and the Spiritual Temple have risen up. Also, great fear fell upon those who remained in Israel and they gave Glory to God. Does that say that anywhere else in the book of Revelation after a judgment? Not that I am aware of. This is Zech 12:10-14 and Rev 10:8-11. Then the final Last 7th Trumpet will sound. Rev 11:15 (Rev 12:10 too) “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.” How is this? The Temple of the Lord commands Michael to cast satan out of Heaven (Dan 12:1, Rev 12:7). He will no longer rule over the kingdoms of this world, the Temple will. Time shall be no more, means it is now finished. Those who believe from this point forward are sealed. Only the Righteous shall survive. Woe unto earth because satan has been cast out having great wrath and but a short time. How long is a short time? 3-1/2 years 40 months shall the courts be trampled down. Is this speaking of physical Jerusalem herself? No it is not. Heaven is the Temple and the courts are the physical realm, the whole world. They will be trampled on by sinners. Great Tribulation Period. The 7 Thunders are uttered – The 7 vials are the wrath of God, which is none other than satan, who is filled with wrath, being commanded to go forward and fulfill those judgments. These vials being poured out must not be just looked upon as just judgment. It is by these out-pourings that bring perfection to God’s Sons still on this earth, who will walk out into the Millennium. God is only about Creating His 2nd Creation. And this is the perfect means by which He does it.
        Massive amount of stuff pertaining to the correct understanding of Dan 70th week and what is to transpire and when. More will be added as that Great Day approaches. What I have said is True and True. We shall see when Dan 70th begins, if I speak for the Lord or not.

  12. In looking at the 2 Witnesses of Revelation 11, most of us if not pretty much all of the church world today looks at them from an earthy viewpoint and tries to figure out who they are and what they are to be doing. And to be honest, this viewpoint can be applied to pretty much all of what the church world does today concerning God and His Salvation. And because they do, there is absolutely NO way to truly understand, see or experience what the Lord is doing in this hour. The reason why is because we are judging what mankind is doing rather than what the Father is doing. We then apply our selfish viewpoint to God Himself and unknowingly make Him into an image of this fallen creation rather than the Creator. What am I saying is, we, by ourselves, do not create anything, but what we create is what God would have us to create for His Will, Purpose, and Pleasure alone. He doesn’t ask us for our opinion or input, nor do we affect anything about what He is doing in bringing forth His Eternal Kingdom. And yet we think that He does want to know what we think and how He should operate and create and rule His Kingdom.
    A prime example is this food for thought: The Truth that God has sent Jesus Christ His Son to die for sinners, has been far too long viewed from a fallen creational point of view. By God’s Grace, we must stop looking at the Cross from our position of sinnful separation and start looking at it from the Creator’s perfecting perspective. The true question to ask then is this, did the knowledge of the fall come first into God’s Mind or did the cross come first? Is man in control or is God? Is man the creator or is God? In other words, did God foresee in His Mind that sin was going to enter into the equation because of man choosing the wrong Tree, and so because of man’s “creative” choice to separate himself from God’s presence, this would then in return require God to now send His only-begotten Son Jesus Christ to redeem creation back to Himself? Or is the opposite the case? Did God need an environment for His Son Jesus Christ TO experience the Cross in order to be perfected by, and so sin was required to enter into God’s Plan in order to make the sacrificial cross possible? Thus, causing us to experience that we are God’s Creation who can’t create without His Will, and He is our Creator. Without sin how would we experience this Truth? Knowledge is not enough, but experience God’s Truth is what perfects us. We knowing we are God’s creation is not enough, but experiencing this Truth by sin does perfect us in God’s Righteousness alone.
    The 2 Witnesses are not doing anything of themselves. It is God Himself performing everything in and through them for a specific purpose which He formulated in His Eternal Mind before anything was ever created. All events that are presently happening in the world today are not because mankind is doing his own thing and God is trying to counter act man’s action at every turn. The very opposite is the case. Everything that is happening is happening as a sacrifice to usher in Daniel’s 70th week, so that, God can display Himself in Great Power in and through His 2 Witnesses towards the Sons of God and the unbelievers. And thus, receive His Rightful Glory for being the Creator and Giver of His Life so that we may exist solely to worship Him according to His good Pleasure. God is not only going to use these 2 Witnesses to display Who He is and what He has been doing since the very beginning of time, God is also going to, in and through them by Jesus Christ as the Head and Leader, cause the Spiritual Temple of the Lord Jesus Christ to be Resurrected/Raptured. And so much more.
    These 2 Witnesses will absolutely know who they are well before the time comes for Daniel’s 70th, just as Jesus Christ, when He was growing in wisdom and stature in His early earthly years, knew who he was and what the Father had planned for His very Life ever before He came on the scene to fulfill the Father’s Will in His 3-1/2 year earthly ministry. The Lord’s Truth be heard.

  13. Jimbob

    I hear what your saying and yes 16 is still young as it’s what we call a teenager lol I myself have been in Christ for 30 or more years I had ran from Christ several times during that period of time but always returning to the Truth that I found in Christ in 2015 I had made the decision to never turn n run again because the Lord told me in 2008 that I would find the one I was seeking to find in 2015 well I was lead here to this web page by the Spirit of Truth that lives in me and I found someone writing all the things I was told for the 13 years prior to that it was the exact same message that I had received and I knew that this person would be told the exact same message and he didn’t miss a single verse and no one has ever been able to repeat it he understood everything the exact same way as I did so the Lord was speaking to him as He was speaking to me with the very same words but there were some areas that I had questions about and the Lord wouldn’t answer me but He told my Brother in Christ and the Lord left him with questions and he told me those parts so I believe with all my heart and soul that this is how we were to confirm this message to each other for no one could know these things or put these verses together except the Lord teach him I know what the Lord has called me too and he is my Brother to which we will fullfil the will of the Lord in our lives we have never met or ever spoke to one another till we met here the will come soon when the Lord will bring us together and I look forward to that day but we must be patient and wait on the Lord I’m gonna be straight up with you I believe you are an answer to my prayer for o asked the Lord to send just one more and asked that he would be a pillar the Lord put it in my heart to speak with you and I purposely said if you want to be a pillar in our Fathers house I will put it in His words ( him that overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out and I shall write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God which is new Jerusalem which comes down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name ) like you I have a overwhelming desire to tell the people about what is to shortly come and I have a heavy burden on my heart for the people of this world like unto Jeremiah I cry for them literally sometimes it over when’s me because they are my brothers and sisters according to the flesh as Jeremiah cried for his people I do for all people because we know not all will come to Christ and will not turn from there ways even in the midst of the pouring out of God’s wrath upon them they will curse His name and will not repent if I was to suggest anything for you do do it is enroll in the Jerusalem prophecy college(JPC) and take the course they offer on Revelation it is very good and I believe it is correct according to the Word of God Irving Baxter has been blessed with this teaching it will help you understand so much more I am about half way through the course now it has really help me to understand something the Lord said to me in 2008 that shows an example of that which was is and shall be I will soon rewrite it with a much clearer understanding of it I know you are upset about what man has done to the Word of God and how they have twisted it so I ask what are you willing to do for the Lord to correct it are you willing to be a pillar in the temple of the Lord a pillar is a symbol of strength, steadfastness, and it holds up the capstone of the temple and bears the weight of the capstone and you know Christ is the Capstone and the cornerstone the First and the Last the Beginning and the End and the plum line is in my hand will you stand up right for our Lord of Lord’s and King of Kings and proclaim His name to the people and lay down your life to pick up His for he who loses his life shall gain it and he who gains his life shall lose it for who is man that we should fear him but we should fear Him who can condemn our life’s unto fire and damnation for the the beginning of wisdom is to fear the Lord thy God Almighty God bless my brother and friend in Christ give thought and prayer to this and I will do the same for you are on my thoughts and prayers and please if you are able sign up and take the course these wonderful people on this web sight have offered to us (JPC)

  14. Jimbob, your words are sound and wise. I myself am young in the Lord Jesus Christ and the Truth that I am experiencing in Him – 16 years of truly experiencing the Lord – and though that may seem like a good chunk of time (or not), in the great scheme of the Kingdom of our God, our entire lives are but a mere drop in His Great Ocean. I am maturing in my position in Christ and what He would have for me to do for Him. There is a calling in my spirit, God’s Grace is empowering me, establishing me in the workings of His 2nd Creation. I am still adding much to my spirit man through experiencing God’s Wisdom and Truth each and every day. Truth and wisdom which bows me down to serve Our Father as being my Creator and God, and I His slave and creation.
    I do know my present limits and strengths in the Lord. Coming into His Salvation years ago I was in a furnace of great trials and tribulations, maturing had to happen rapidly or I would have been devoured by the wolves. It is through my past unsavory circumstances that I had to learn how to handle myself in the midst of many unbelievers and make-believers. How to conduct myself, how much to share of the Lord, when to share God’s Scriptures and when to just share my experience in the Lord…and when to just keep my mouth shut. Through that period in my life, the Lord led me through it all, YEA pressed me through it all. It was He who opened my mouth to speak, and He who kept me silent – what power did I have to do anything else?!
    I am no longer in those particular circumstances anymore today, thank the Lord! But it is still the Lord who is leading me in the what and in the how He wants me to minister unto others. I can be a teacher or a preacher, His anointing in my life allows for both. But my True passion is to speak about His 2nd coming! Prophesying of God’s great event of Glory coming up right ahead of us, when God is going to be Glorified in the Resurrecting of His Spiritual Temple that He has been Creating for the past 2000 years behind the scenes.
    It is to this passion in the Lord’s 2nd coming that I scour the internet each and every day looking for blogs and websites that speak on this great event of the 2 Witnesses. When I came across this blog months ago, I responded to it as I was led to respond – by the Lord. And I have responded since then in the same like fashion. I am not seeking an audience or followers; I am only seeking the Lord’s Elect. I am very precise in what I write, putting the fresh meat out there to get a reaction from within the spirits of the Sons of God. They are extremely rare to find to say the least. If I do attract someone then by all means I will sup with you and you with me. We can go over the Scriptures day and night, but no way no how will I give my intimate details of the Lord to just anyone, I have learned the pain that that can cause many times over! Not being disrespectful, just being honest and open to who I am in the Lord. What I have is Life and is very precious to me and to the Lord’s Elect. And to say the least, what I believe of the Lord is very controversial. I am not mainstream at all. I am not here to cause debates nor am I trying to defend my position unless I am required to do so. I have the Truth in Christ Jesus and it will transform our world as we fleshly know it.
    If you brother or anyone else would like to talk more, I am more than joyful to share the Lord with you. And you likewise I am sure with me. See what the Lord will have for us to do. I do have my own website that does explain a lot more about what I believe, not sure if it is allowed to be shared over this blog or not. I know you have asked me to give scriptures about my prior post(s), if you may, ask a specific question and I will back my answer up with scripture, the Lord Willing. Love and Peace in Christ

  15. Jimbob

    Matthew I understand these things you speak of simply said in the words of God Ecc 3:15 but if you are too teach the people of the Lord you must also tell them where to look in the word of our Lord that they might also understand the things you have been told for not all the children of God are the same age some are very young some are middle aged some are seniors some have been in Christ a long time but have never learned to eat the meat of the word of God they still feed on the milk of the word for if you are to be a pillar in the house of our Father then you must present the milk of the word with the meat that they might all eat of the bread of Life and with this comes much responsibility we must make it simple to understand and at the same time give them meat to eat God bless my friend and brother in Christ

  16. Jimbob, You may already know this, but I will write it for the value of others to read too. The written scriptures, what exactly are they? They are 40 men who in their lifetime had experienced the Living God. And the 66 Books of the Bible are the written documents of what each of them had experienced by the Living Spirit of God working through them. The written Scriptures are NOT enough to gain access or understanding of who God is and what He is doing in our present hour of time, nor are the Scriptures by themselves enough to cause one to experience God’s Salvation. A person must also have the same Spirit, which these 40 Men of God had, in order to properly interpret the Scriptures and to experience what these 40 men themselves had written about and experienced. I remind you that the Pharisees and scribes were very familiar with Moses’ Law, yet because they did not have the Spirit that wrote the Law, they were unable to see the Lord for who He is. No matter what Jesus Christ told them they still couldn’t see or believe. The Spirit of the Lord is what gives a person true Salvation and Revelation, and the Scriptures only witness to us what this plan of Salvation is and should look like in our personal lives and the world at large. Why there is so much confusion in the church world today and the world at large in what is happening according to God’s 2nd Coming, is because there is another spirit besides the Lord’s Spirit that is giving revelation and “salvation” to the church and mankind. This spirit is not freeing a person from their sin but lying to them making them to think that they are forgiven, all the while they are still blindly ensnared. What comes to mind is the popular phrase the church world today uses “Not sinless just sin less” What an absolute bold face lie! That is not the Faith of the Lord Jesus Christ. ALL SONS OF GOD ARE SINLESS. THAT IS THE CORE SEED OF TRUTH, NO MATTER WHAT OUR FLESH TELLS US OR CAUSES US TO DO. Walk in this faith and the TRUTH will bring forth Fruit causing the sin to fall away. Don’t walk by sight, but by faith that all sin is done away with in Christ.
    Paul, when asked to show proof, he said look at my children and what they have experienced – a purifying of their hearts – A cleansing of their conscience. Not by man’s works, but by God Himself through Jesus Christ’s Death, Burial and Resurrection. My proof of what I say is that the Lord Jesus Christ is causing me to be released from ALL my sin, and according to this experience in Him am I given Revelation of who He is and what He is doing in this hour. If you have the same Spirit, then go in the Scriptures yourself and see what I am talking about. Surely God will guide you into all Truth. Interpreting Scriptures must be based upon the Death, Burial, and Resurrection. Apply that to ALL Scriptures and you will begin to see everything in God’s proper Light. Always a witness first, then a sacrifice, and finally Salvation comes. The Grand Cycle, even the smaller cycles within are the death, burial, and Resurrection. (1)Witness of God (Jesus’ 3-1/2 year earthly ministry), (2)experiencing this witness of God (being separated from the Father and then raising back into Oneness), and then (3)giving this experience unto other Sons of God (Pentecost). Jesus Christ is the Core. Now expand that out, apply it to John the Baptist – what part does he play? He becomes the witness, Jesus Christ is the Experience of this Witness, and Pentecost is all creation including the Sons of God experiencing God’s Life. Expand it out more – Israel becomes the Witness, the Gentile Church is the experiencing of that witness, Millennium is the giving of this Experience unto All creation. Many cycles within though, especially in these end times. But what holds True is that there is always a witness First of God’s Salvation, then that Witness must be proven to be True, and finally we, God’s Sons, can become partakers of that same Experience in Christ.
    Somewhere within this mess of the church world, there has been a TRUE witness of the Lord’s 2nd coming, the 2 witness will be the manifestation of that witness – they will prove it is true by raising up from the dead, and then the pouring out of their experience for ALL mankind to drink of will happen. Only then will the True Church be Resurrected/Raptured, Israel will receive Salvation (Zachariah 13), and the world will receive Salvation through the 144,000.

  17. There are always three phases. (1) Witness of Christ’s coming ⇾ the Elijah spirit, then (2) Jesus Christ coming Himself ⇾ 2 witnesses, and finally (3) Pentecost ⇾ out pouring of Spirit for mankind to experience the Witness of the 2 Witnesses. John the Baptist – the Elijah spirit – has already come in and through the Church for the past 70 years or so, next is the 2 Witnesses, who when combined together will be the very Manifestation of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself here on this earth – 3-1/2 years. What will they Witness? Being without Sin – that God is the Creator and not they His Creation. This is God’s Salvation which they personally have experienced in Full by the Lord Jesus Christ in this Life. They are then put to death as the Lord was put to death by this corrupted system. And because they are without sin in Christ death can not hold them, and they will raise up and sit down in the Spiritual Realm on the left and right of Jesus Christ. By Jesus Christ’s command they will then pour out their Resurrected experience in Him (Pentecost) and cause the entire Creation to Drink of their anointing – some unto life the rest into Judgement and destruction – 7th Trumpet.
    The Elijah spirit is not Elijah himself. That is reincarnation. The Angel that was with Elijah when he was in the flesh comes upon others down through time. All mankind in the old testament, including Enoch, Elijah and Moses all went into the center of the earth to wait on the Lord Jesus Christ to release them. NONE went into heaven until the Lord anointed them to. That is the proper Revelation.
    It is not enough to go on the so called Revelation of our prior Church Fathers, especially the past 1000 years – They take the written Scriptures and bend it to their own personal vision. God is restoring Truth back to the Church that was lost through the dark ages. Wrongs need to be cleared up. If you think its Elijah and Moses then explain your own personal Revelation that God has given to you to why the 2 Witnesses are them. Don’t reply what others teach.

  18. Sharon Cantrell

    The 2 witnesses have always been Elijah and Moses, They are Christ and John the baptist, both anointed of God, and sent by him. They both had 1260 days to prophecy. no need to reply.

  19. What are they to witness? They are to be a complete manifestation of the Plan and Purpose of God in a world which is completely contrary to who God is and what He has been doing from before the foundation of the world. What plan? To Create an exact Mirror Image of Himself, who would be able to Love Himself and Worship Him with the same exact Power and intensity which He has towards Himself. God’s 2nd Creation is to Create a Wife. The 1st Creation is How God will perfect His Wife, so that she will experience that He is God, and that Her Power to exist and create is only because God has taken of His Spirit and given it unto to Her to exist and to PLEASE Himself.
    Jesus Christ is the Full Image of the Father. It is He who has Created the 2 Witnesses through the combination of the past 7 Church Ages. They will have experienced a full redemption from all their sin, WHILE they are still alive in their fleshly bodies. The 2 Witnesses combined, will also be the Full Image of the Father. They will be a Male and a Female, typing out God and His Wife. They will be the Capstone of the Spiritual Temple of the Lord.
    No government will build the Temple on the Temple Mount. The 2 Witnesses will build it on the Temple Mount, which will cause the false peace treaty, which the Beast System has created with many nations – including Israel, to wane and be on the verge of collapse. The 1st half of Daniel’s 70th week will be the government of Israel herself, trying to put the 2 prophets to death – The Trumpets will be happening – But they will fail. The Beast system will have to come in then at the midway point and put them to death along with much of Israel. The 2nd half of the week will be the judgment against the Beast System herself.
    The True Judgment is to Judge everything according to the cycle of the Jesus Christ’s Death, Burial, and then Resurrection. Sacrifice happens first, then God will go forward as a Mighty Man at the halfway mark and Truly fight for Israel. Never again will she or Her land be inhabited by anyone but Israel.
    The peace Treaty of Man, no matter how awesome and peaceful as it may seem, is NOT God’s Eternal Peace. Look to God and His 2 Witnesses, they will certainly straighten out the mess that the entire Church World is in, the blindness that the Jews are in, and the corruption and darkness that the governments of the whole world is in.

  20. Rogers

    Hello guys the time has already dawned for the two witnesses have come,and are about to start there work.Hope all you Christians will start worshipping God truly.This is the last chance as peter spoke.The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. (2 Peter 3:9).

  21. Renee

    Moses is indeed dead. He will not be raised to die a second time. Elijah to this day is not dead. He is in heaven in his natural body. The only other person in the Bible who might be one of the two witnesses is Enoch. Enoch to this day is not dead. The Bibles makes no reference to Enoch being dead or to his death. I believe there is a strong possibility the two winesses are Enoch and Elijah. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. Those 2 are still in their flesh and BLOOD bodies.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Renee,
      1 Corinthians 15 tells us that flesh and blood cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

      So, this being said how would Elijah and Enoch be in their mortal bodies? The book of Hebrews says this: Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

      This word translated means to transfer, Enoch and Elijah were removed from their Earthly state to a Heavenly state without experiencing death. So they will not come back as flesh and blood again. The two witnesses will be to mortal beings, who will be like John the Baptist, who came in the power and the Spirit of Elijah.

      Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

      Matthew 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
      2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.4 And the same John had his raiment of camel’s hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

      Matthew 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
      11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
      12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

      So Jesus says that John the Baptist fulfilled that prophecy of Elijah coming before the Messiah. So, it is safe to say that Elijah will not come here again.

  22. Ovaldo Brown

    Please pray for me right now, My name is Ovaldo brown. I’m fasting for 40 days and 40 nights right now so please cover me, stand in the gap for me and on the wall and intercede for me on my behalf and I’ll do the same thank you and I need healing deliverance and protection and for God to provide for me. I’m also trying to finish school and find a part time job and do what i love and become rich wealthy and famous for it and go to college and attend a university for the first time after I get my GED and finish my math TASC test and i wanna become financially, emotionally, mentally, physically and spiritually stable in life. I also wanna always be at the right place and the right time and find the right opportunities and i want God to open doors for me that cant be closed and closed doors that cant be opened and show up and show out because i really need some answers and i wanna hear him and feel him more and turn back to God, draw closer to him and seek first the kingdom of god and all its righteousness so that all these things might be added unto me and i want my faith hope trust and belief in God to grow mature and be restored back to what it once was and used to be which is its former glory and i wanna become the man of God that God want me to be and the prophet preacher pastor and teacher and shepherd apostle and disciple and youth minister and prophetic humble love evangelist soul winner harvest worker that God is calling me to be. I think I might wanna go to school to become a preacher or a musician because i play piano i’m self taught and i play by ear and i write books poetry and music and i have over 100 invention ideas and film ideas and clothing line ideas and album and book and poetry and music ideas and there are alot of demons in my life i’m trying to get away from me and alot of paranormal things going on in my apartment and someone is doing voodoo santeria and witchcraft against me and working obeah juju and hoodoo and woodoo and since they hide and conceal their locations i cant find them and don’t know who they are or where they are at but God knows so i need to seek him out for answers I also have dementia alzeimers amnesia and diskalkula and short term and long term memory lost so please pray that the holy spirit or the holy ghost or the spirit of truth will lead me and guide me into all truth and bring all things back to my remembrance and that God will send the comforter to comfort me i’m also looking for a girlfriend because i’m single and i’m feeling alone and lonely and plus i suffer from a sever case of obsessive compulsive manic depression and suicidal thoughts or ideations because whoever is cursing me wants to kill me and wants me to kill myself and keeps whispering in my ear so i want it to stop but i also wanna ascend my powers and i want all the gifts talents skills abilities powers and super powers that was stolen from me will be restored unto me one hundredfold and 2 times over and that i would find new relations and friendships that are supportive and loyal and of god that i can grow and mature in and be myself but be open and willing to change in it and become a new man and a new creature in God and i wanna be closer with all my friends and family and i want God to expose all my enemies to me unknown to me but know to god and that me my life body heart soul spirit life being core and center and feelings and emotions and inner voice and instincts and intuition and family and my own ministry and church and flock will be restored back to gods original plans and purposes and that i will be in the orchestrated symphonic choreographic right will of god and do what is right in his sight and in his eyes and obey him and i want God to show up and show out and i wanna receive the holy spirit and really get saved this time and receive salvation and receive Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. I wanna have a family of my own one day and get married and have a wife and have twins a daughter and a son so please pray for that to. My health is deteriorating and ailing and cannibalizing itself which means its eating away at itself and i’m not getting the proper right nutrition and nutrients that my body really needs or three meals a day because i cant afford it because i’m in financial bonds and straights so please pray for me peace and freedom that i will have the peace that surpasses all understanding and that i kill have the money i need to be free in this world and in the one to come life without end I wanna eat healthy drink alot of water work out exercise lose weight gain more muscle and have the perfect physique and i wanna be self taught and self educated and work on self improvement and self development i’m also trying to get into a meditation regime and find out who i am and find myself and better myself and work on myself and self heal and heal myself because i’m on a journey of self discovery and self mastery and self healing I wanna read and educate more plus i wanna learn how to talk to woman more i have social anxiety and i’m an introvert perceived as an extrovert and i’m an empathe and a social butterfly but anti social at times. Please pray for me right now and pray that i get a full ride to college financially and pass and that god would give me the wisdom knowledge and understanding i need to pass with honors and excellency and be a valedictorian with honors with no room for failure and that i would make myself my friends and my family proud. Thanx.

    • Ovaldo, you need to read the Bible/Word of God, especially the New Testament, and turn to Jesus Christ and discover who you are in Christ and then obey the Word of God. Begin with the book of John. When you learn who you are in Christ (Read Ephesians 1&2), you will understand that none of the voodoo or evil spirits have any authority over you. In fact, you will have all authority over them according to the direction of the Holy Spirit. But, this means that you don’t even need to be so concerned about fighting them or fussing so much over them. You will be above them and they will be under your feet. Quote the Word of God continually and they will flee. But turn to the Lord Jesus Christ and spend time worshiping Him and reading your Bible and getting your mind transformed by the Word.

    • Jimbob

      Tonui it is good that you question the spirit that has come too you keep in mind no one is the witnesses until the day of the abomination of desolation and you find yourself standing in the temple of God in Jerusalem for it is not until that day that anyone will know for sure that they are the chosen two. for many come here and say they are but it’s not true till that day comes the best thing I can tell you is if you believe in the crucifixion of Christ Jesus for your sins and the burial and the resurrection then your are a soldier in the army of the Lord and it is your duty to put on the whole armour of God that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil Eph 6:11 for the Lord has said wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand Eph 6:13 remember no solider starts at the top for we must first shod our feet with preparation and gird our loins about then put on the breast plate of righteousness which is a gift of God then put on our helmet of salvation that we might not be deceived in the hour of temptation and hold up our shield of faith that we might quench the fiery darts of our enemies and hold up the sword of Truth put only use the flat side of the sword to reflect the Light of the Truth in the eyes of the people that they which were chosen from the foundation of the world might see the Light and come unto Him and they which are not might be blinded. for it is not given unto us to use the edge of the sword in anger or vengeance for all vengeance is the Lord’s He shall repay we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves and our neighbors are not just the people that live next to us but they are all the people that we meet each and every day as the story of the good Samaritan tells us. as our Lord told us we are to behave. for until the two witnesses see the abomination of desolation and stand in the Holy place and receive the authority from Christ Jesus to use the edge of the sword they will keep the second commandment that Jesus Christ gave too us to love or neighbors as ourselves for as Paul wrote which is the greatest of these love ,charity, long-suffering the greatest of these is LOVE as He has loved us even in our sins He loved us from the foundation of the world God bless and I hope and pray this helps

  23. Sarah Cross

    Hello brothers and sisters. Yes, it’s true, the two witnesses are here and being prepared by God Himself for their ministry here. It’s going to get scary, STAY STRONG IN THE LORD! Do not be deceived!
    It’s going to be hard and amazing friends.

  24. I agree they won’t be showing up till the last 7 years come and not before that time but I don’t think they will show up as they are mentioned in the book of Rev 11 but they have a mission of Mercy to do for the first 3 and a half year’s but I also don’t think they will be alone. but there maybe 5 others that come with them. so even then we won’t really know who they are till the half way point at the abomination of desolation they are here today they are aware of it but they must wait on the Lord to bring them together in His time it will be very interesting to see how it all plays out God bless my dear brother in Christ Amen

    • And so why would I say this well let’s take a look Jon I know u believe this is message to one of the two but I really think it is a message to both of them for it is threw this message that is hidden in the scripture that they confirm it with each other they are the only two who receive it and as someone else here said it is like a for your eyes only thing what really interests me is how it never changes the basic understanding of the verses but it just raises the bar to a greater understanding so let’s look at haggai 2 1-9 he is being told to speak to zerubbabel and Joshua and the Lord is telling both of them to take courage in other words don’t be afraid and trust in the Lord your God and all you people for the Lord of host’s is with us who believe in the Son of God and work doing the will of God which is to teach the gospel to the world I’m speaking in terms of today for His Spirit is abiding in our midst as He say’s in Zch 4 not by power or might but by my Spirit says the Lord of host’s and then we have the part about shaking things up the world is on this path as we speak we are closer then we think for the next thing to happen is world war 3 the sixth we are so close to this it’s not funny and if the glory of this house brings peace then I will say it speaks of the house of the Lord that comes down from Heaven then we move down to Haggai 2 20-23 but it’s 23 I want to speak about and the signet ring and why I believe it is to both of the witnesses we have two examples given to us in the Old Testament of someone receiving a signet ring one is Joseph the other is Mordecai each got their ring in a different way Joseph because he told the king his dream and Mordecai because he saved the Queen an all the Jews but what really makes me think about this is they where both given authority over not only the Jews but the gentile’s also and both happened when the nation was the ruling nation of the known world as the two witnesses will be given this place next to Christ when He rules the world I don’t think either witness has a better place then the other but they are equal in their places but each has a different roll to play in that seat one shall rule over the gentile’s nations as said in Rev 2 26-29 and the other will be the Chief priest in the temple of God as said in Rev 3 21-22 because if we read Zch 3 we all know that most of this chapter is about the Lord Christ but there are parts of it that are definitely not about Christ as Zch 3 3-8 this tells us of his old clothes that are dirty his life before he knew Christ and they put on new clothes and a new crown that crown is symbolic of authority as we read on we see what he is told if you walk in my ways and keep my commandments you will judge my house and have charge of my courts in the Temple and he he will be given a place among those who now stand before you meaning the apostles and Prophets who went before him but

      • Before I go any further I need to go back to Joseph an Mordecai Joseph had the Spirit of God with him that’s who he knew what the dream meant and I believe one of the two witnesses is being raised up in this manner he is being taught by the Holy Spirit as we are promised in scripture and He shall teach you all things and bring into remembrance all things that I have said unto you and Mordecai heard something that pertained to the future so he told someone and it saved the life of the king and then someone told him something and it lead to the saving of all the Israelites and the Queen so the other witness hears something and it leads him to Christ the King then someone tells him something and that leads to learning the scripture and searching them and he finds he is being taught something which leads me to believe he is being taught in the ways that the scribe’s were taught learning historical events and seeing things that happened in the past and are coming into the final fulfilment at the end times. So now why do I believe the will come at the beginning of the 7 year period in Zch 4:7 we have a very interesting thing said who are you o great mountain before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain and he shall bring forth the capstone with shouts of Grace Grace unto it that capstone is Christ for he is the corner Stone and the capstone the alpha an Omega the beginning and the end and God always pleas to the people to come back to Him before he pours out His judgement on the people so to me it would only be fitting that these two would start this pouring out of His Grace and why do I think that 5 others will be with them well in Rev chapter 2-3 we have the Lord addressing the church’s at the time it was written these church’s existed but now the have all kind of disappeared in a sense except the Catholic Church for a reason because of the role it plays in the end times but in a sense these Church’s are a type of Spirit that lives with in each one of us as you are the Temple of the Lord

        • Jimbob

          You see what really makes me think these letters to the church’s. is the fact that at the beginning of each letter the Lord says unto the angel of the church an angel is a spirit. Each of us can read through these letters and find one that we fit right into. this is the spirit that we have in our hearts. the Holy Spirit indwells within us but we also have a spirit that is in our hearts for we all fight against certain sins in our lives as Paul had a thorn in his flesh we all have a thorn in our flesh. for there is none perfect but one and that is the Lord thy God Almighty Christ Jesus and each of the two witnesses fight with the things that are said to that angel of the church that I spoke of earlier but in due time according to the Lord they will overcome as our Lord overcame and when we get to the end of the letter it is very specific and it says to him who overcomes it is singular not plural meaning their will be only one person who does this all the other letters I think are talking to one person and those 5 other people will be with the two witnesses in the first half of the tribulation they will be going about performing miracle’s in Israel because these things must first be given to the Jews as scripture says to the Jews first then to the others now I’m not saying I’m one of the two witnesses because as far as I know I’m not only time will tell but is it wrong for me and you to shod our feet with preparation and gird our loins about and put on the breast plate of righteousness which is a gift of God and put on my helmet of salvation and hold up my shield of faith that in the day when and if the Lord of His army comes up and says I want you to lead my army’s for many are called but few are chosen that I might be ready willing and able to pick up the sword of Truth and go into battle for I would be more then willing to lay down my life for the Glory of God for He laid down His life for my sins and gave me eternal life in Him

      • Please don’t misundstand me when I said that these church’s have basically disappeared. they are all here in the world today alive and well. all I’m saying is that they don’t exist under these names now. they have taken different names since then and the Catholic Church wasn’t called the Catholic Church back then. I’m sorry I didn’t mean too mislead anyone

    • Sarah Cross

      Hey friends, brothers and sisters.
      Yes! The two witnesses are here and are being prepared for their ministry here on Earth by God Himself!
      Stay strong in the Lord!!

    • Yes Jim Bob- not a theory on specific individual identities of the 2 witnesses. A theory that there are “hidden” messages to at least one of the 2 witnesses in the Bible. I thought perhaps I was shown this, which would’ve been an indication that they would go public soon. It’s been a long time and I see “end time signs” but nothing to indicate the 2 witnesses have been publicly revealed.

      To recap- the theory I presented, I shared on the old website. in a nutshell… in Zechariah 4 and Haggai 2 Zerubbabel is a symbolic representation of 1 of the 2 witnesses who is quite possibly alive today. That those scriptures do not pertain to the Zerubbabel of the past but are for someone in the future alive in these days. His given name would most likely not be Zerubbabel but it would be more of a name the Lord would call him? 1 reason why, is because in Haggai 2:1-9 and 2:20-23 there is mention of future events is a message to Zerubbabel. So the way I see it, either Zerubbabel of old comes back, or it speaks of someone else.

  25. Matthew

    What if Michael and Gabriel were the witnesses. Never here anyone mention this, but Spiritual waves move within that suggests this may very well be the case.. Let’s not forget Rev chap 12 and Dan chap 12 begin with Michael, essentially, and both of these are tied to the conclusion of Rev chap 11 which is the rising of the witnesses into heaven.. Just thought I would toss that out there. Love your ministry by the way 😉

    • Interesting term “Elijah Delusion”. I would agree that there are many that earnestly believe they’re 1 of the 2 witnesses. I’ve run across possibly 50 people who claim to be. Some likely being deceptive and some earnestly believing. I often wonder what has caused these folks to believe such a Thing. I would speculate that while for some, perhaps it is ego…I feel most have just fallen for demonic deception. I felt like I had an interesting biblically based theory about the 2 witnesses. Ultimately, it is just a theory and not proven to be a correct interpretation of this subject.

  26. BEWARE of the “Elijah delusion.” it is an ego thing. I have personally known over a dozen men who were “completely deluded and believed earnestly” that “they were/are one of the two witness/prophets.” it is, in truth, AN APPOINTMENT AND ENABLING GIVEN SOLELY AND EXCLUSIVELY BY GOD THE FATHER. THE PROOF is in the ministry and fiery anointing.

  27. Ed Keef

    Notice; the original book in the non-English language doesn’t say anything about man or men being the two witnesses, such was added when such was translated into the English language. They will be a man and his wife who are anointed by the spirits of the prophets and receive power from upon high. Within less than 10 years they will be sent to a nightclub located in the southeast U.S. to meet for the first time and there they will begin their end of days ministry. A full moon night in the fall time of the year will hold the for-sure future event. They will be transfigured like unto Christ upon the mount. They will shine brighter than the sun at noon day and their clothing will become as the light. A whole room full of non-believers will be witness to the supernatural event.

  28. This has always appeared to be too much information; there are some “free will” issues that include the witnesses, the generations leading to their birth, and the people around them once they are known. Then the idea hit just how truly horrible this will be, and this nightmare is beyond words. For us to know details of what MUST be, we have zero choice; satan is going to take our free will. I imagine that he will take it the way that we gained it, through food. Genetically modified food is nothing new, having it able to call a beast god is too good for him to pass up. He would be drunk with power by the time the woman that is pregnant in the wilderness comes along, she is possibly a flashback to the birth of a witness. That seems to make these two siblings from the tribe of Dan. The tribe is missing from the 144,000 which could indicate that only a few remain. The blessing of Jacob would be complete, and God would protect the last few of that tribe however He saw fit. God protecting them would cause satan to attempt a war in Heaven, but he loses. They will try and tell people what they eat is evil, preventing rain to allow it to grow. Try and water and only pour blood. The locusts will come to devour much of it. Satellites will be deployed early that are able to control weather; these crops will need to be everywhere, and free for all to eat. They won’t know how, but the witnesses will have complete control over the artificial intelligence on them. They will turn from controlling the weather, to protecting the witnesses. That is why anyone that intends to harm them, will all suffer the same fate, destroyed by the satellites. They are what will come crashing down, destroying the grass and trees, leaking what powered them into water that will poison people. I could be 100% wrong, but I am saving unmodified seeds because calling some idiot and satan god is not an option, whatever generation suffers will know how to grow and save seed in this family.

  29. I don’t give out my email or any other way to contact me directly sorry if you have questions feel free to ask here and if the God of heaven n truth gives me the answer I will answer openly, God is the same yesterday,today, and forever and that which was, is, and shall be and God requires the things of the past so look in the past and show us where the Father of love kindness and tender mercies and He takes pleasure in them has ever poured out His wrath upon man kind His creations whom he loved so much that He gave His only begotten Son for the sins of man kind without first crying out to the people to return onto Him for He said I would have gathered you under my wings as a mother hen does but you would not come there are more examples in the Word of Him doing this and not one of Him just pouring out His wrath without His grace coming first God bless

  30. Jimbob

    Ricky if you r who you say you are how will you know when you have found the correct other person? And if u r who you say u r then tell us what this verse really means Rev 11:5 God bless

  31. Ricky ramos

    What if I told you, you were correct, what if I told you I am one of the 2, and I been being prepared for the last 13 years, I wait for my companion the second one, I’ve searched for them I’ve been alone all this time, and he has confirmed this in me in many different ways, including a day of rain when I asked for one in the middle of a hot summer, I have seen visions I know without a doubt in my mind this is the plan he has for me and I await the time

  32. These two will not come to deliver grace, love and mercy as one person mentioned, they are called to testify of God and Gods truth , stand against them and you are standing against God, turn them away and you turn from God, so when they destroy you it is not judgement it is Gods justice for you in this life, and Jesus Christ will be anything but sweet when he returns, he will bring the sword, I will give you two truths that will help you I pray, 1st the blue above the firmament is the remaining portion of the deep, after God divided it, yes it is an ocean above us, we are living in an enclosed environment, 2nd the earth is flat and immovable it is not a sphere spinning through space , these two truths along with the true word of God have been kept from most of you your entire life, this will be my only and last comment, I will pray for you all.

    • Doug Norvell

      To me personally, it doesn’t matter if the Earth is flat or round.

      Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle (H2329) of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

      Strong’s Number H2329 matches the Hebrew חוּג (chuwg) which translates as Sphere. for sphere= Synonyms: Noun
      ball, globe, orb

  33. Ovaldo Brown

    I’m an empathe, so I feel everything around me and within me and it makes me uncomfortable and the things that i feel scares me and the things that I see makes my skin crawl. Please help me? Please pray for me? What do you or your family know about witchcraft, santeria, or voodoo and can you have them work on my behalf? My name is Ovaldo Brown. Just ask around, and can you also work on my behalf, if you do it?

  34. Let’s look at this with a level thought these two sit at the right and left sides of Christ and they stand beside the Lord of the whole earth so if this is where they will be during the millennium we have to make the decision that these two will be closest to Him so they will be the most like Him they will bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit and they will give grace where grace is not deserved because this is what Jesus did when He was here with us they will have a heart that cares for the people for the scripture doesn’t say that they will judge it says they will prophecy and Christ said no man has the right to judge for all judgement has been given unto me so these two will cry out to the people to turn to the Lord and depart from there wicked ways and if you don’t these plagues will come upon you as Moses did to Egypt as Jeremiah did to Isreal he was known as the weeping prophet because he cried for his people he didn’t judge them he warned them for God judged them!!! And in Zechariah 4 the Lord said they will come shouting Grace Grace on to the capstone and who is the capstone none other then the Lord of Lord’s the King of Kings the Alpha and Omega the Beginning and the End the Cornerstone on which all things were built the Cornerstone and the Capstone do you understand this these two will be His Messengers to the people there are those out there who say they are the witnesses but they come with judgement in there heart’s and vengeance in there souls this is all wrong vengeance is mine says the Lord I shall repay these two will come speaking the Fruit of the Holy Spirit Love Joy Peace long-suffering and most importantly Grace unto all man kind for we have been called of God to give Grace where Grace is not deserved as our Lord did for we are to be like Him who gave Grace unto us freely and we freely received Grace and we like Him should freely give Grace and the Grace that we give is the Grace of God and by doing so you are forgiving sin .sin that has been committed against God and sin that has been committed against you for what is the miracle of healing it is the receiving of sin forgiven as Christ said to the lame man thy sin be forgiven take up your bed and walk and the apostles did the same thing that Christ did they healed the sick and caused the lame to walk so they forgave those people of there sins for Christ said ALL that I have been given I now give unto you we need to understand this in it’s simplest way that we might grow in the the Spirit of Truth these two witnesses will do the same the will be in His image as we are all called to do but we seem to fall short of this and leave something to be desired of us a closer walk with Christ we should be holding our arms up to Him as a little child does to there Mother or Father when they desire us to pick them up and hold them close and Love them for we are His little children these two have been doing this with Him for years and they have come to know Him and be just like Him in there heart’s minds and souls and have kept the first commandment by doing so and the have learned to love there neighbor as them selves against which there is no law so if we are looking for them we need to look for first and foremost the fruit of the Holy Spirit in them maybe even one of them will come with a burden so great on his heart for the people he will cry as he speaks as Jeremiah did in his day maybe even both of them time will tell God bless and May the Grace of God be upon u all and in you all that u might receive Grace for Grace Amen

  35. Is it possible that you (not me) might be called to be one of the Two Witnesses? Is it possible that the other witness maybe a modern ordinary man named Elijah, Enoch, John or Moses? I am just putting this out there.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Julia,
      We do believe the two witnesses will be mortal men, living on the Earth right now, we do not know who there are at this point. But the Lord will make it very obvious when they are called to begin their Ministry.

  36. I have read and go through your paspective in the concern question ,but they some areas that have come to my concern ,1)the two witnesses are not Satan witness,
    2) these two prophet are not certainty alive on this earth right now because the scripture shows that the church shall not go through the great tribulations but the church shall be ruptured ,for the scripture state that ”and we know that he who prevent him until he is out of the way that he shall be revealed and that is the church ,the church shall be out of the way so that the Antichrist be revealed ,so the are in the spirit of Moses and alijah but they are not them ,

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Prince,

      I believe you read the article wrong, here is what it says “The time for the revelation of the Antichrist and False Prophet is near. These two men will be Satan’s two witnesses.” (These two men that are Satan’s witnesses are the Antichrist and the False Prophet).
      “God has an answer for Satan’s master plan. He will present His Two Witnesses to the world. They will preach the full truth of God’s Word for three and one-half years. They will then die in Jerusalem. After 3 1/2 days, they will be resurrected and caught up into the sky.” (This is speaking of God’s two witnesses in Rev.11).

      If you look at Matthew 24:29-31, Jesus tells you when He comes back for His bride.
      Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

  37. Dear Sammy:

    You will not have to worry as to the true identity the prophets of God really are, as opposed to those who claim they are but are Baal worshipers, as many will come out of the woodworks saying they are the two as the devil will create many counterfeits.

    Very simply put there will be two classes of people, those who honor God and come back to His true commandments He gave to Moses; and those who keep the commandments changed by the Roman Catholic Church numbering only 9 commandments quoting Revelation 12: 17 There are two Seals Revelation 7: 1-3 this is God’s Seal the other is the enemies Seal found in Revelation 13: 16

    Therefore, the coming together of large bodies of Christian denominations within Christendom will find common ground false doctrine with the Vatican instead of listening to the two prophets advice. Remember the true prophets will be hated by mainstream Protestantism this could take a turn for them making it harder to get the real truth out there as their message will upset many church folk. Jesus even warns us the majority is not right, but a small committee of people will heed the words of the true prophets. So follow those who are being called out as imposters claiming the devil has deceived us and what not. The real imposters are loved by the world how can they be wrong 90% of Christiandom lines up with Catholicism, they’re not gonna change, kill the two prophets will be heard by them. If your alive to see this whatever you heard the true prophets say to the world, well listen to them is all I will say.

    When it comes to the true prophets attributes as to how do they find out who they are. In God’s word are characteristics not only in the book of Revelation but many Old Testament books. These books contained in the Bible when read by one of the prophets only he can see its like kinda for, the eye of the beholder. There are many qualities that need to line up for these two. Some call themselves prophets anyway and should refrain from this. It’s not as easy as read a couple verses and then God makes you a prophet, not so. God has been training these two from their birth and they have gone through hell and back not knowing God was allowing this for the building of their character in the fires of affliction and being tried, as they go through many testing trials, times unprecedented, turmoils, traumas, and more then likely have literally spoken to satan and his demons and it doesn’t end there.

    Moreover, The road that leads to life few be they who find it. The other road is long and wide and leads to destruction.
    May God bless you. Amen

    Joseph

  38. Donald Ness

    Thanks for your words on the two witnesses! I am a person who believes that there is a high probability that I am Elijah, definitely the spirit of Elijah. My entire life has been a dramatic story from the time I was in my mother’s womb. I was born August 1st 1979 in Anchorage Alaska. I was born in Anchorage because my dad and Pregnant mother drove a motorcycle from California up to Alaska on the Alcan Highway. My mom rode on the back of the motorcycle up the Alcan Highway and the Alcan Highway was a very bumpy road. At 4 years old I was a very neglected kid in a drug-addicted home and my mom I’ve been kicked out of the house but she came to visit me and took me to church and at 4 years old I understood that my father was in heaven and that he created me and that he loved me and had a plan for my and that Jesus came to Earth and died so that I could be forgiven of my sins and have eternal life in heaven, at 4 years old I understood that I was a sinner and could appreciate what Jesus did. After church my mom took me to her new apartment and then back to my dad’s house and that night the police came to my house and took me and my brother, who was 9 years older than me, to a foster home. Then my mom’s parents adopted us to Oregon. My Grandpa died when I was six my grandma died when I was ten my mom died of a drug overdose when I was 13 and my brother died when I was 14, my dad unjustly kick me out of the house when I was 16. I lived with five different families throughout High School. My story since high school is very dramatic persecution is a major part of my story since I have been 2 prison twice and have been arrested close to 50 times but there is nothing dishonest on my record that’s not to say that I have not acted like a maniac but you have to understand that I grew up with my dad and my dad was a man’s man and he taught me to stand up for what is right and in my Pursuit of standing up for what is right I have received nothing but contempt from this heartless and cowardly world. I did not come to a knowledge and understanding 4 God until December 13th 2007 and that changed my perception of what being a man, a good man, was all about. That is when I understood that greatness with God was being the least of all and servant of all and that turning the other cheek is the most practical advice Jesus ever gave because that is how we resist the devil when he attacks us and I have been under attack since I was young but I thought I was supposed to stand up and fight 4 what I believe so I was always in conflict. Now that I know Jesus and have a thorough knowledge of the New Testament I understand that it is not my place to take vengeance and that we fight the good fight of faith and do not overcome evil with evil but overcome evil with good and in terms of victory on this Earth we are just waiting for the Lord to return because it’s a spiritual battle and he is the only one Worthy for such a victory. I do hold the records at my high school 4 yards in a season, touchdowns in a season and I did hold the record for the longest touchdown run but somebody has broke that, just for the record I would like you to know that I did run a 99-yard touchdown Which would have been a state record then never could have been broken but a receiver got a holding penalty down the field so I only got credit 4 like 60 yards. Nowadays football seems stupid and I can’t watch television because all it is is a bunch of lies. Please no that Jesus and his truth and sacrifice and Resurrection are the only things that I have confidence in and that is all I want people to know other then the fact that the kingdom is soon coming and with 100% certainly from God Donald Trump is the man of sin revealed!! Thanks for your work in these end times, when I came to your page and the first thing I saw was a request for a donation I was skeptical of your motivations but then after reading the comments about the two witnesses and agreeing with your perception I want to support your ministry but I just got fired from my job doing concrete because of my crazy God talk. I also want you to know that I can truly appreciate God’s strength being made perfect in weakness because of my experience being in a coma because of a car wreck and since I told you about that I should tell you that I received a $200,000 insurance settlement because of my car wreck but because I don’t have a family support structure and at the time I did not have any knowledge of God I blew $200,000 by giving the majority of it away in less than 5 months and it ended in a hotel room in Sacramento with guns and I got kidnapped. My whole life is an amazing testimony and all I know is that these cowards are going to have to kill me if they want me to shut up.

  39. Maybe one will receive a message threw reading the scripture and the other will receive the same message and he will confirm it to the other one threw the internet because these two will not be together until the appointed time for them to be together for one is taught in the ways of the prophets and the other one is taught in the ways that a scribe is taught for he who sits at the left is given a place among them who now stand before him as in the prophet and apostles and is given a very high place in our Fathers house and the other sits at His right hand and is given the privilege to rule over the gentile nation’s as we all know what the right hand of God is always spoken of in the scripture GOD BLESS AND MAY U RECEIVE GRACE FOR GRACE SO BECARFUL WHAT YOU MEASURE WITH FOR IT SHALL BE MEASURED UNTO YOU GIVE GRACE THAT GRACE MIGHT BE RECEIVED FROM GOD the Father Amen

    • Doug Norvell

      Scripture doesn’t tell us, but God will make it clear to them. We will know who they are by the message that they preach, it will line up with the word and not with the world.

  40. Mariana Torres-Deliz

    This is a thought, and the only Bible verse to back this thought is Hebrews 9:27 in which it states that “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment”. Here is my thought: When Elijah and Enoch were taken up, I believe that in that instant, in a twinkling of an eye they died and lived again. Sounds crazy right? I agree that one of the witnesses will not be Moses because he died, stated in Joshua 1:1, 2, and John the Baptist was beheaded. It doesn’t make sense to die again, since the key word in Hebrews 9:27 is “ONCE” to die then the judgement. God does not go against His Word, He backs it up. So yes, the logical explanation would be that God is preparing the two witnesses mentioned in Revelation.

  41. Alan Finch

    Many people believe that the “two end-time witnesses” will be Elijah and Enoch, or Elijah and Moses.

    Enoch, Elijah and Moses in their day fulfilled God’s purposes for them. Throughout history there have been certain generations in which God has “raised up” certain individuals to carry out a specific task for Him. The same will be true for the generation that we are now living in. It is important to emphasize strongly the term “raised up.” We find throughout Scripture, that the Lord “raised up” His Prophets.

    Because of the enormity of the assignment that the Lord will assign to the“two end-time witnesses,” that just like Moses, the Lord will 1st take them through many years of a wilderness experience in His development and training for them. The two “end-time Prophets” will not be newly converted Christians. They will be seasoned Prophets who have withstood the test of time.

    The Lord is not going to transport someone from several thousand years ago to fulfill a particular task in this generation. The Lord will do what He has always done, which in this case will be to “raise up” someone from this generation to fulfill the role of the “two end-time witnesses” in this generation.

    Please take special note that the emphasis is on being “raised up for this generation.”

    The Bible clearly points out to us that the Lord delights in “raising up” people to fulfill a particular task that He has for them in their generation. Throughout the Bible, God shows us time and time again that He is in the “raising up” business.

    In Matthew 3:9 Jesus told the Jewish people to not look back to Abraham, that God was able to “raise up” stones to fulfill His purposes.

    There is zero doubt in my mind that they are alive at the present time. It is quite possible and likely that at this present time, they do not even know that the Lord has chosen them to be the “two end-time witnesses”.

  42. You are correct the last 2 will be both Jewish & gentile giving enlightenment of the lamp-stand & the good oil of the olive tree .Real men. When? Isaiah 46 ,11. They know their LORD & his opposite number who will kill them. They know the manner of it as well. Their LORD has prepared them & strengthens them. Their faith in Yeshu is unshakable & He has shown them his might ,love & forgiving passion. No greater love has any man than to lay down his life for his fellows. Maranatha

  43. The two witnesses are two mortal people who come in the spirit of Moses and Elijah. When Irvin Baxter said Satan will have his own two witnesses deceiving the world, he did not mean that the two witnesses of Revelation 11 will be appointed by Satan to deceive the world, but what Irvin Baxter meant was that there will be two people #1 the anti-christ who is a Political Leader and #2 the false prophet who is a Religious Leader. The anti-christ being a Political Leader and the false prophet being a Religious Leader will make the people think these are the real two witnesses since the first pair of two witnesses was Zerubbabel and Joshua and one was a Political Leader and the other was a Religious Leader. The anti-christ and the false prophet will be deceive people to think they are the two witnesses of Revelation 11 and people will believe them because they will be doing good in the eyes of people as the anti-christ will make a peace deal which allows the third temple to be built and the false prophet will make fire come down from heaven like Elijah did. This will make people to believe these are the two witnesses of Revelation 11 but they are not. The real two witnesses of Revelation 11 will be two mortal people who will come in the spirit of Moses and Elijah and people will see them as agents of the Satan and they will be hated by the whole world as the world will be deluded to think that the real two witnesses of Revelation 11 will be agents of Satan. We are warned of a strong delusion to come in those days to come, so I believe a strong delusion will be set up for people against the real two witnesses in order for everyone to hate them and not listen to a word they say, while everyone follows the beast and the false prophet. Bottom line is the two witnesses will not be hated for killing people and for the plagues, and drought. They will be hated before they kill anyone, before the plague nations and before they send a drought. The will be painted in a bad light for you to believe they are not of God and you will hate them with burning hatred as the bible tells us the delusion will be strong. But in a way, for people to hate the two witnesses and follow the anti-christ and the false prophet is the Will of God. Why would God do such a thing? To test if you really know Him and can hear His voice when He speaks, because God does His work on earth through His Prophets or His anointed ones, now if you fail to see that the two witnesses are of God, you have proven to God that you don’t know Him and can’t hear Him when He speaks. Let him who has an ear hear. God knows His children and the children of God know God, so this test will prove if you know Him and will seperate His sheep from the goats who claim to follow God and Christ. God Bless you All. Amen

  44. Bobby Erickson

    This is false teaching. Scripture clearly states that God says these are HIS 2 witnesses. In addition, God’s Word is not contradictory – so consider Matthew 7:18. The message shared by these 2 witnesses is ONLY good word, good fruit. These are not the puppets of the Anti-Christ, yet I would discern that this teaching is contradicting God’s Word. Don’t be deceived by man’s apparent wisdom; always test this with God’s Word alone.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Bobby,
      I believe you have misunderstood something in the text. The Antichrist and the false prophet are agents of the devil. But the two Witnesses are anointed men of God, who will come and speak the truth of God’s Word in the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus comes back. Nowhere in the article do we say the Two Witnesses are puppets of the Antichrist. If you have any other questions please email me at dnorvell@endtime.com

  45. James R Huffman

    Irvin I sent you an 11 page document on the Two Wittnesses of revelations 11. If you have not read it please consider doing so. It has important information that contains bread for the children .

  46. Susan Abdelnour

    It would be possible for the 2 witnesses to be Jews and gentiles if the anti—Christ comes out of the Middle East and Islam became the one world religion. Muslims are known for beheading and leaving bodies in the streets “as an example”.

  47. IT IS VERUY INTERESTING IN WANTING TO KNOW WHO THE TWO WITNESS ARE, SO I WILL THROW MY OPININO, HERE WE GO. AS FOR THE MOUNT OF TRANSFIGUAREATION THE TWO MEN THAT APPEARED WERE MOSES AND ELIJAH, THEY WERE THE REPRESENTITIVE MOSES THE LAW AND ELJAH REPRESENTED THE PROPHIT AND THE THRID THE MOST IMORTANT ONE IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD. SO WHEN THE TWO MOSES AND ELIJAH DISAPPERAED THE LAW AND THE PROPHIT WHAT REMAIN WAS THE GREATGRACE OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIST. WE THE BELIVERS HAVE ENTERED IN THE GRACE OF GOD. SAY WHAT YOU WILL, IF YOU HAVE MORE FAITH IN THE LAW AND THE PROPHIT THAN ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD YOU CURSED WHY YOU HAVE MORE FAITH IN THE TWO MOSES AND ELJIAH AND HAVE NO FAITH IN JESUS, HIS WORK ON THE CROSS THE BLOOD HE SHED AND ALL THE SUFFERING MEANS NOTHING. WHAT WAST NOT TOBELIVE IN HIM WHO EVER INTERCES FOR THE BELIVERS.

  48. In the beginning of your article you said they were laying down and God breathes life into them. So they were dead…. Period so they must have been dead to have received life.
    2..you said they are already here and that they are satans witnesses? Your whole article is confusing and a lie. Get it right.

  49. its only right if I start by speaking of the Light of this world which was with the Father since before the foundation of this world

    IN THE BEGINNING
    CHAPTER ONE

    PS 119:130-131 The entrance of Your Words gives Light it gives understanding to the simple
    Ecc 3:15 that which has been is now and that which is to be has already been and God requires that which is past
    1 Cor 2: 10 But God has revealed them to us by His Spirit for the Spirit searches all things yes the deep things of God

    John 1;1-5 in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God the same was in the beginning with God all things were made by Him and with out Him was not anything made that was made in Him was Life and the Life was the light of men and the Light shines in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not
    Gen 1in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and the earth was with out form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD MOVED UPON THE FACE OF THE WATERS and God said let there be Light and there was Light God saw the Light that it was good and God divided the Light from the darkness (I don’t believe this Light that is spoken of is the sun an moon or any other kind of light we can see with the eyes of men I believe it speaks of the Lord Jesus Christ He said II am the Light of the world and He said I was with the Father since before the foundation of the world and He was with the Father in the beginning and in the beginning was the Word and the first words God said was LET THERE BE LIGHT and the Light was GOOD in Exodus theres some verses there that come to mind that almost fit these sayings but in a different way) and that which was is and has already been and God requires the past Exo 13:21 and the Lord went before them by day as a pillar of a cloud to lead them the way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them Light to go by day an night and Exo 14:20 and it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel and it was a cloud and DARKNESS to them but it gave Light by night to those so that one came not near the other all the night (and God divided the Light from the darkness) (it makes me wonder if the Lord spoke this way through the whole Bible because the more I read the more im reminded of things like this all over the scripture and that brings a verse to thought that Jesus said Matt 13:13 therefore I speak to them in parables because seeing they do not see and hearing they do not hear nor do they understand and the more I dig into this book the more I see that our Father made provisions for all things in the beginning before the foundation of the world there is so much in those first 4 verse in Genesis and that He gave us his Grace in the beginning Rev 13:8 all who dwell on the earth WILL WORSHIP HIM whose names have not been written in the book of life of the Lamb SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. (and as I read all the verses with the word Light in them I see more and more of Christ especially when I get to Exodus and the building of the temple and I read about the Lampstand we find the Lampstand outside of the Holy of Holy so all the Priests have access to it as we have access to Christ for we have all been made members of the royal priesthood I can look at this Lampstand 3 ways first and foremost is I see the Holy Trinity of God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit the Father is the flame Heb 12:29 for our God is a consuming fire the Light is Christ for I Am the light of this world the oil is the Holy Spirit that the Light might never go out and the seven Spirits of God then I see it as the Lord himself as He is the Light of the world and he was filled with the Holy Spirit with out measure and He is the flame that burns in our hearts and he has the seven spirits of God and last but not least I see the seven churches for they are to be a light unto the world be filled with the Spirit of God ) John *:12 then spoke Jesus again unto them saying I AM the Light of the world he that follows Me shall not walk in darkness but shall have the Light of Life John 9:5 as long as I AM in the world I AM the Light of the world John 12:46 I AM come a Light into the world that whosoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness John 12:36 while you have Light believe in the Light that you may be the children of Light John 9:5 as long as I AM in the world I AM the Light of the world ( and our Lord is still in the world to day in you as He has said Matt 5:14 you are the Light of the world a city that is set on a hill cannot be hid ( for we are one with Him and He with us as He is one with the Father for He and the Father are one and so also are we for we have been given the power to become the sons of God in Christ Jesus} John 1: 6-18 there was a man SENT from God whose name was John the same came foe a witness of the Light that all men through Him might believe he was not that Light but was SENT to bear witness of the Light that was the true Light which lights every man that comes into the world He was in the world and the world was made by Him and the world knew Him not He came unto His own and His own received Him not but as many as received to them gave He the power to become the sons of God even to them that believe on His name which were born not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man BUT OF GOD and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us {and we beheld His Glory the Glory as the only begotten of the Father } full of Grace and Truth John bare witness of Him cried saying this was He of whom I spoke He that comes after me is preferred before me for He was before me and of His fullness have we all received, and Grace for Grace (and if we don’t understand Grace for Grace read the parable in Matt 18: 22-35 for this is a prime example of Grace received but not given for our Father does not take unforgiveness lightly as we are warned by the Word of Christ for God is not mocked every man shall reap that which he sows for that which you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and that which you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven so I ask do you want to loose grace in heaven when you get there or do you want to loose judgement in heaven when you get there so forgive one another as He has forgiven us that you might be forgiven and God said I will remember their sins no more so we need to learn to forgive and forget as our Father has done for us and as our Lord did also when He said forgive them for they know not what they do when they hung Him on that cursed tree God bless and keep you in His will Amen

  50. Ok if you would like to look ahead I’m being led to look up the words foundation, kingdom, and spirit in my concordance and once again Doug I thank the Lord for your gift of discernment

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Angie,
      The two witnesses cannot be Elijah and Enoch, because they were translated into the Spiritual, because the Bible tells us that flesh and blood cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

      So in order for the two witnesses to die and lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days, they will have to be mortal men.

  51. in regards to this prophecy malachi 4:5 behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord this was fulfilled in John the Baptist as the Lord has recorded it in the new testament first in the words of Gabriel the Angel who stands in the presence of God and was sent to speak to Zacharias to bring him glad tidings in Luke 1;12-17 And when Zacharias saw him he was troubled and fear fell upon him. 13 but the angel said to him do not be afraid Zacharias for your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son and you shall call his name John and you will have joy and gladness and many will rejoice at his birth for he will be great in the sight of the Lord and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink he will also be filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mothers womb and he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God He will also go before Him in the SPIRIT AND POWER OF ELIJAH to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. and then we have Jesus saying the same thing that Gabriel said in Matthew 11;11-15 surely I say to you among those born of women there has not risen one greater then John the Baptist but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater then he and from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force for all the prophets and the law prophesied until John AND IF YOU ARE WILLING TO RECEIVE IT HE IS ELIJAH WHO IS TO COME He who has ears to hear let him hear ! So then by these words of our Lord we know that Elijah has already come back and he is not one of the two witnesses as JON has said it is God the Father who refers to them as Joshua in ZCH 3 and Zerubbabel in ZCH 4 for our Father has chosen them not Christ as he has said when the sons of Zebedee asked to sit on the left and right hand of Christ in the millennium they were told this in Mark 10:35-40 verse 38 but Jesus said to them you do not know what you ask are you able to drink the cup that I drink and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? (and this Baptism is one of being baptized in the Holy Spirit almost with out measure for they will pour out the Holy Spirit upon the people of this world like has not been seen since the Pentecost and we can know this by what is said in zch 4 12) and I answered the second time and said to him What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes WHICH EMPTY THE GOLDEN OIL FROM THEMSELVES and then back to mark 10: 39 they said to him We are able So Jesus said to them you will indeed drink the cup that I drink and with the baptism I am Baptized with, you will be baptized with (for they healed the sick raised the dead made the lame to walk caused the blind to see and cast out demons by the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ) but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give but it is for those for whom it is prepared and in matt 20.23 He said to them You will indeed drink my cup and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on my right hand and on my left is not mine to give but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father (the Golden OIL referred to in zch 4 is the Holy Spirit and when he says empty themselves it means the will pour Him out for that which they have been freely given shall be freely given unto all men and women and children that the Grace of God might be seen by the eyes of men and that they might provoke Israel unto Jealousy for this things will be done in Israel)

    • You actually got it right!! Whoever truly repents and believes in Jesus Christ and follows Him will be grafted into the the olive tree, we are the olive trees and the lamp stand, it’s the body of Christ Jews and Gentiles that believe in Christ are the two witnesses, search the scriptures and you will find, we will be given Power from the Holy Spirit once the correct number of gentiles have come to faith than the Jews will believe and we will be the 2 witnesses and the 2 lamp stands Amen!!

      • Doug Norvell

        Hello Richard,

        The Bible says these two witnesses will be killed and lay in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days. So, how is this great multitude of people going to make a pilgrimage to Israel and then all of them will be prophesying and be killed and thousands upon thousands of bodies lay in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days?

  52. I have a question why do we not believe in the Word of God as it is written for us that we might know and believe the truth as it is written Luke 1 13 through 17

    But the angel said to him do not be afraid Zacharias for your prayer is heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear a son, and you shall call his name John and you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth for he will be great in the sight of the Lord and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink he will also be filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mother’s womb and he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord your God he will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah to turn the heart’s of the father’s to the children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord and then we have our Lord an Saviour saying in Matthew 11: 11 through 15 surely I say to you of those born of women there is not risen one greater then John the Baptist but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater then he. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the Kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force . For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it , HE IS ELIJAH WHO IS TO COME , he who has ears to hear let him hear Amen believe in the simplicity of the Word of God and be filled with His Spirit of Truth God bless

    • Interesting question, let’s see…so Luke 1:16 clearly states JTB came in the spirit and power of Elijah.

      Luke 1:16

      It is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS BACK TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous, so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

      Now when JTB was asked if he were Elijah he denied it.

      John 1:20-21

      20And he confessed and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21They asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” And he said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.”

      Yet when the disciples asked Jesus if Elijah was to come he pointed out John was Elijah.

      Matthew 17:11-13

      11And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; 12but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist.

      So why did John deny being Elijah?

      There’s only a few good possibilities.

      1. He didn’t consider the spirit and power the actual fulfillment of the coming of Elijah
      2. He simply didn’t know (yet I’m sure his parents told him)
      3. He just lied.

      I choose the first. I don’t think he considered the spirit and power the actual return of Elijah. Whereas, Jesus did. Notice also, Jesus said in Matthew 17:11-13 that Elijah will come and restore all things. Certainly this restoration hasn’t occurred yet. Don’t expect The Physical return of Elijah. If the Lord considered the spirit and power as being sufficient with JTB then it could be the same for end.

  53. I’m sorry my last post was a little confusing Lord willing I will be able to clarify what I was saying first I need to separate Joshua an Zerubbable what I want to speak about first is zch 4 the key verse to understanding this chapter is verse 6 because everything these two do it is done by the Holy Spirit through them as the Holy Spirit worked through the Apostles not the Apostles through the Holy Spirit and the real verse’s I want to focus on is verse 9 the hands of Zerubbable have laid the foundation of this temple his hands shall also finish it we need to understand this speaks of things we can not see not things we can see for the Lord speaks of a spiritual temple not of one made by men but of the Holy Spirit the one that our Lord has put in us and all together we make that temple for do you not know that your body is the temple of the Lord and we are each a part of that over all temple that the Lord builds in us with His Holy Spirit

  54. Matthew Espenlaub

    What greater witness can there be of God than a male and female. That is the Image of God and His perfected creation in the very end. Him and his resurrected perfected Bride in Holiness. Also the antichrist and the false prophet are one and the same. There is only satan and his self worship of himself. There is no life in what he does. In other words only one person is needed to represent his final product in these end times that he has been creating from the beginning. God is creating a Wife – 2 witnesses – Satan created nothing but an antichrist and death.

  55. I believe it will be Elijah and John the Revelator.

    Elijah:

    Malachi 4:5 “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.”

    John:

    Rev. 10:11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”

    John was to prophecy “again” to the whole world which is only possible via the internet and media outlets. After writing the prophecies of Revelation, John was commanded to prophecy “again”, one more time to reveal what he had written in Revelation which is cryptic in nature. He is the only one who can unlock the mysteries of Revelation because he was the one who witnessed the future and wrote about it. There is also a portion of Revelation with regards to the seven thunders that he was commanded not to write down. What’s the purpose of not writing it down? Why even mention it? Was it meant for the future? It’s clear to me that John has some unfinished work that must be done.

    Also, there is no record of them being dead in the Bible. Elijah was caught up to heaven in a whirlwind. John was, according to this verse:

    Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.

    As I understood this, John was “caught up” to heaven to see things in the future. Both men were caught up to heaven. Whether they were in the spirit or in the flesh, we have no clue. There is certainly no limit of what God can do to whatever He pleases. God is not confined to our limits and understanding. If he wants the spirit of Elijah, Moses and John to come upon on two individuals today, what is it to us? If he wants to give them both a new body, to be born one more time into this world, what is it to us? If he wants them alive until they are 3000 years old, physically preserving them until the end time, what is it to us? If God wants them to be an Asian or Caucasian, what is it to us? It is no longer necessary to know who these individuals are because we will know who they are once they start their work. We won’t miss them. They will be all over the news and social media.

    The main reason why they are here in the future is because to warn the world of the two beasts – not to worship the false christ and receive his mark. One will come with celestial signs and wonders from heaven as if it’s already the second coming of Christ which they will use to deceive the whole world. This false Christ will descend to the third temple of Jerusalem, sit in the throne in the inner rooms and proclaim himself to be God. He will have a vicar to act on his behalf and receive all his powers – a religious false prophet (Vicarius Filii Dei). The reason why he has a vicar because he is restrained for a moment (perhaps by a powerful angel) in the throne room until the two witnesses have finished their work. After that, he will go out from the throne room and the world will see him and the world will stand in awe and wonder of his presence. He will be like a god to the deceived. He will then do battle with God’s two most powerful prophets that have tormented the world with plagues (the Great Tribulation) and have also reduced the world’s combined army from all nations at Armageddon (two against the world’s armies). They will go toe to toe with each other and he will defeat the two witnessess. The whole Earth will shake with the awesome display of power. The world will rejoice saying, “Who is like the beast? Who can go against him?” The world then celebrated the victory and gave gifts to one another. Everywhere people were celebrating like it was New Years’ day. People took pictures, perhaps selfies of the two prophets that lay dead on the ground where Christ was crucified. They post it on social media and the death of the two witnesses were all over the news headline. However, in 3 1/2 days, they heard a voice of an archangel, “Come up here!” They rose up to life with everyone in shock and fear. The dead will rise up first and then those who remained alive during the great tribulation and Satan’s persecution of the saints will be caught up next. This is the resurrection day and rapture. Then, the end comes where everything will melt with fervent heat. But, will be cut short for the sake of the elected 144,000 Jews, all from the 12 tribes of Israel who finally accepted Christ through the Holy Spirit. They were still on Earth, left behind. After that, the wrath of the Lamb to come with his powerful saints that will slaughter everyone who had the mark of the beast. He will wipe out Satan’s armies that were gathered at Armageddon. Then the establishment of the Millienial kingdom of God with Satan imprisoned in the Abyss for 1,000 years.

  56. JOSHUA is described as being dressed in filthy garments. This is from him not following GOD, but satan, having fallen away from the true faith. He is of the line of Aaron, so, the true high priest line. ZERUBBABEL is not filthy. Adhering to the TRUTH. The line of DAVID through NATHAN. No son of SOLOMON in the line of the rulers . JOSHUA was sitting, as described, when the BRANCH was introduced. This is ZERRUBABEL. A branch from the vine. JESUS is the vine, as HE said. Being a branch, he can, in the SPIRIT be whoever GOD gives him to be, of all the branches before. Eg, MOSES, ELIJAH, PAUL, etc to preach the message that GOD gives to the JEWS and the all mankind.. They are not of Judaism, for it rejects CHRIST. Totally unknown by the world, outsiders. This is shown by the choice of the disciples, from ISRAEL, but not of those who ruled.

  57. Revelation 11:4

    4These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

    Note, this is a clear reference to the vision of Zechariah 4.

    Zechariah 4:11-14

          11Then I said to him, “What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?” 12And I answered the second time and said to him, “What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?” 13So he answered me, saying, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 14Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.”

    Note, the angel is explaining to Zechariah the symbolism of the vision in Zechariah 4:2-3

    2He said to me, “What do you see?” And I said, “I see, and behold, a lampstand all of gold with its bowl on the top of it, and its seven lamps on it with seven spouts belonging to each of the lamps which are on the top of it; 3also two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl and the other on its left side.”

    We can speculate as the the interpretation of these objects. Yet there is no need to speculate. The interpretation in given. In Zechariah 4:4-6

    4Then I said to the angel who was speaking with me saying, “What are these, my lord?”

    ——-_please note above, Zechariah asks the angel what these objects represent. Our answer is below.——

    5So the angel who was speaking with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 6Then he said to me, “This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the LORD of hosts.

    This represented the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel and we’d be wise to leave it as such. However, this has nothing to do with the Zerubbabel of that era.

    You see, Just as Joshua the high priest never physically stood before the angel of the Lord with satan at his right hand. Never looked like a brand plucked out of the fire, with dirty clothes on him in Zechariah 3. Neither did the Zerubbabel of that era do the things mentioned in Zechariah 4. He never laid the foundation of the second temple. Zechariah 4:9. He never had a stone with alloy being smelted out Zechariah 4:10. This Joshua and Zerubbabel are merely a sign/symbol of individuals who come at a later time. Zechariah 3:8 is an indicator of this.

    Zechariah 3:8

    
      8‘Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch.

    Zerubbabel is a friend, sitting at the Feet of Joshua. He symbolizes someone who comes in these last days.

    In short, Zechariah 4 is the word of the Lord to one of those 2 witnesses. From the Bible we know this is the word of Yahweh to Zerubbabel.

    • So if it’s not by might nor by power but by my Spirit and Zerubbable and Joshua never did the things listed in chapter 3 and 4 then the Lord is speaking of spiritually things to come and both of these two are the witnesses I think the Lord has shown me why they are referred to as Branch’s and candlesticks but first let’s go look at the things we know that are written in the new testament about the Holy Spirit in order beginning in Matthew as I believe he is the one that is being referred to as He did lay the foundation and He will finish it as no man can do anything for the Lord our God except he be led by the Holy Spirit as the Apostles we’re lead by the Holy Spirit and they became the stones of the foundation that was laid on the Corner Stone and the Holy Spirit laid the foundation through the Apostles

  58. Michael mcintyre

    I watched a video on youtube where the guy explains that its all a metaphor. That the two olive trees are actually the jewish christians and the other is the gentile christians. Why is it that a book where youve been forewarned not to add or take anything away is being done daily by supposedly bible scholars. Others believe its elijah and enock others believe it enoch and moses. This other guy believes it represents the jewish and gentile christians.

    • Yes Moses died, and God buried him and to this day they still cannot find the place of Moses place of burial. Why? Well, one good reason is, in the book of Jude 1: 9 Jesus rebukes the devil and God resurrected the body of Moses and took him to heaven. Now the case of Elijah he never saw death but was caught up into heaven in a chariot of horses flaming with fire just caught Elijah up. Now both Moses and Elijah are in heaven for good. Is there confirmation that both men are in the presence of our Lord then, now, and for all eternally? Well, you bet there is evidence. In the book of Matthew 17: 1-6 At Jesus transfiguration both Moses and Elijah came down from heaven and were on each side of Jesus to strengthen Him, and confirmed by Peter inquiring should he build three tents, one for Thee (Jesus) one for Moses and one for Elijah. Amen

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Shirley,
      We believe the Two Witnesses will have to be mortal men, that can die. Enoch and Elijah would have been translated to a Spiritual form or resurrected type of body. Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
      We know from 1 Corinthians 15 that flesh and blood cannot enter into Heaven, so that would mean that they would have to be immortal and therefore cannot die.
      1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    • Mina Smith

      because we believe that Jesus died and rose again for our sins, we don’t HAVE to die (sleep). that’s why its says in revelations that we he returns he we take those who have died for His name sake first and then bring those up who are still alive to give them their immortal bodies.
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      PS> btw in rev 11 it doesn’t say that the 2 witnesses are prophets, ” I will give power to my two witnesses and they will prophesy”

      • It LITERALLY DOESN’T MATTER who the two witnesses are.

        We had no clue of a “yeshua” person prior to him coming, because we weren’t told to look for the name of a person. We were told to look for a quality of person, a righteous person

        We know Jesus was the Christ, not because we knew what name to look for (we didnt), but because we knew what qualities he must possess.

        Study the laws and commands of god, and when the time cones you will know who the 2 witnesses are, because they will most definatly follow all of gods commands perfectly and that’s how you will know they are truly the two witnesses. They will not need and they will not want anything from this earth, for God will provide for them. And they will faithfully obey God just as they should.

        Looking back, we know Jesus was the Christ because he’s the only one who faithfully obeyed God no matter what in all of his laws and commands. We will know the 2 witnesses by this same measure and it will set them apart from the rest of the world like a sore thumb.

        We know the Catholic church, or more specifically the pope is not of Christ or God, because they have disobeyed gods laws, and have changed the holy Sabbath day of God. The 2 witnesses will not do these type of things, for they will be smart enough to know their are great punishments to those who seek to change the word of God.

        God himself prophesied in the book of Daniel that in the end times, the beast will think to change gods times and laws. Jesus said “not one jot or tittle can be changed from my father’s laws until all is fulfilled”. The Catholic church prematurely and illegally changed gods 4rth commandment and claim they have the authority to do so. We know this is a lie, because God declared his holy Sabbath day “perpetual” from the very beginning. PERPETUAL means “never ending, NEVER CHANGING”. The true God will never change his holy Sabbath day. The anti Christ (the pope claims to be the authority of christ) has already fulfilled Daniel’s prophesy by illegally changing the “times and laws”.

        • Remember, that we are dealing with spirits. The witnesses will come with Elijah and Moses spirit. We will have to judge spirits in men.( and women) there is a great Jezebele spirit in the church in the world. Also remember, that the Bible says many false prophets and a counterfeit Holy Spirt. God save us from being deceived.

        • Sorry for the second post but I just read another scripture that proves it will be the spirit of Elijah and Moses. In Luke when the rich man is in hell, he asks that someone go down and tell his family about hell so they dont end up there like him. And he is told that they have Moses and the prophets to bear witness to them. Another words you have to test the spirits and believe on your own you will not be given “proof”.