Irvin Baxter interviewed by Craig Treadwell
Q: What is world government, and where is it prophesied in the Bible?
A: The Bible prophesies there will be a world government established immediately before the battle of Armageddon. The Antichrist will ultimately reign over this world government for three and one-half years just prior to the second coming of Jesus to establish His own world government.
The prophecies of world government are found in many places in scripture. One prominent place is Revelation 13:3 & 7. Verse 7 states that power will be given to the Antichrist over “all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” Verse 3 says, “And all the world wondered after the beast.”
Another prominent prophecy about world government is found in Daniel 7 where it tells of a world governmental system ruled by the Antichrist. Verse 23 states, “The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.” The prophecy then states that this world government will rule the world until the second coming (Daniel 7:22).
q: Why should we care?
A: This subject is important because the coming world government is going to be totalitarian. Control will be consolidated into the hands of the Antichrist, and the Bible says the power behind it will be satanic. The dragon, which is the devil, gives this world governmental system its seat, power, and great authority (Revelation 13:2). We are seeing this world government structure forming right now, and, since it is satanically inspired, all of us are going to feel the pressure and come under its heel.
Q: How has world government developed in our day, and what about the League of Nations and the United Nations?
A: World government has been rising for some time now. Up until the 1900’s, there had never been a war with a million fatalities. When World War I came in 1914, the world was shocked after 8.2 million died. They called it “The Great War,” and said this must be the war to end all wars. It was feared that mankind would end up destroying the world if structures were not created to prevent it. So, the concept was born to create a system of governance of nations. As a result, the “League of Nations” was born.
The theory was that when a conflict arose among nations, all of the nations of the earth would get together—discuss it, debate it, and then vote on a resolution. The vote of the majority would prevail, and all nations would obey. However, wiser heads in the U.S. Congress were not willing to surrender the sovereignty of the United States to a world government. Congress refused to ratify the League of Nations. Consequently, it never got off the ground.
Twenty years later, World War II engulfed the world. When the fatalities were counted, 52 million had died in this horrific war! Mankind was frightened. World leaders contended that we simply had to have some kind of international structure to prevent war. Winston Churchill, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Joseph Stalin got together and agreed that we needed to do what we had failed to do after World War I. As a result, in 1945 the United Nations was born.
Q: Who was Alger Hiss?
A: At the end of World War II when Europe was divided up at Yalta, President Roosevelt was a dying man. (Roosevelt died ten weeks later). He had by his side a young, bright, diplomatic star by the name of Alger Hiss. Because of Roosevelt’s sickness, Hiss conducted the negotiations on behalf of the United States.
Following Yalta, Hiss was given the job of writing the charter for the United Nations. Furthermore, he was chosen to be the presiding Secretary General over the UN’s founding meeting in 1945.
Three years later, Alger Hiss was exposed as a communist spy. He was placed on trial, convicted and ultimately went to prison for perjuring himself. Many had wondered why the U.S. gave all of Eastern Europe to Russia at Yalta—more than Germany could ever have won on the battlefield. It happened because Alger Hiss was an agent for the Soviet Union. You can get a real good deal when you have your man on both sides of the table!
Hiss had designed the UN to be a world government that would some day fulfill the dream of Karl Marx and his “Communist Manifesto”. The UN is still operating under the charter that Hiss designed to be a world communist government.
Q: I’ve heard you say the United Nations was a paper tiger until George Bush Sr. and the Persian Gulf War in 1991. How did this time period give rise to the New World Order?
A: When the Soviet Union started gobbling up Europe after World War II, it looked like the whole of Europe might become communistic. The United States led the effort to stop this advance. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was formed. It became a hedge against the Warsaw powers led by the USSR.
The resulting tense standoff became known as the Cold War. Since both the Soviet Union and the U.S. had veto power on the UN Security Council, the United Nations ended up virtually paralyzed on most fronts for the next forty years. This state of affairs continued until Mikhail Gorbachev became the leader of the Soviet Union. He allowed the fall of the Berlin Wall, and ultimately, of the Iron Curtain. World leaders declared that the Cold War was over, and they proclaimed the birth of a New World Order.
After the Berlin Wall fell in 1989, we began hearing new terms like World Community and International Community. Then global institutions such as the World Bank, the World Trade Organization, the World Health Organization, and the World Court began to play increasingly prominent roles in international affairs. These institutions were designed to be an integral part of the envisioned one-world governmental system.
When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, President Bush Sr. put together a UN coalition of 29 nations to fight against Saddam. It was at this time that Bush Sr. made his famous statement that we really do have a chance at the birth of a “New World Order.” He defined the Gulf War this way: “This is not the people of Iraq against the United States. This is Saddam against the world.” With the end of the Cold War, it was hoped that the United Nations could now fulfill the purpose for which it was originally created.
Q: Is the UN the “beast” of Revelation 13, and when will people begin to “wonder after the beast”?
A: I wrote a book in 1986, in which I stated that the Berlin Wall would come down, the two Germanys would be reunited, and that this event would trigger the New World Order. It happened exactly that way. On November 9, 1989, the Berlin Wall came down. Euphoria hit, and many thought that world peace had arrived. However, ten months later came the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam Hussein. The response of the world community led by President George H.W. Bush threw us into what has been called the New World Order.
The proponents of world government have been working tirelessly since that time to develop the structures of global government more completely. However, the urgency for world reform seemed to be missing. David Rockefeller said that a global crisis would have to occur before the world would be willing to accept a New World Order. That crisis rocked the world in 2008 when the world’s economy began its most drastic plunge downward since the Great Depression. Once again, we began to hear world leaders proclaiming the need for a New World Order.
Most all world leaders are saying that, if we are going to win the victory over the present economic chaos, we will have to form global economic structures. Some political observers think the crisis has been contrived in order to push the world into the long-planned world government. I don’t know if that is true or not. However, I do know that the globalists are taking advantage of the crisis to enhance and to promote one-world government.
Q: Is it true that every Secretary General of the UN has been a communist?
A: To my knowledge, every head of the UN has been a socialist. The World government depicted in Revelation chapter 13 will have power over all of the earth. The world government will, by its very core and nature, be a system of control. Satan wants to control the human race because he has been seeking to displace God for thousands of years. We can feel the encroachment of the tentacles of world government upon every phase of our lives right now. Socialism is control. Free enterprise is the absence of control.
Q: How does world government relate to the Council on Foreign Relations?
A: The Council on Foreign Relations, which sounds like an official governmental organization of the United States, is actually a private club. David Rockefeller was the president of the CFR for some time. Henry Kissinger was a full time employee of the CFR and worked for Rockefeller before going on to the White House to be the National Security Advisor. Eventually he became the Secretary of State under President Nixon. The CFR is devoted to the concept that ultimately there should be a one-world government, and that it should be socialistic. If you will track the speakers’ log of the CFR, they are almost unanimously socialistic in their politics and global in their thinking.
The CFR has supplied approximately 50% of all cabinet members for the government of the United States for the last fifty years—no matter which party was in power. That explains why, no matter who we vote into office, we end up getting the same policies. The CFR is a powerful non-governmental think-tank, which is exercising extraordinary influence. This is not only being done in the U.S., but it is also functioning globally through a sister organization to the CFR—the Trilateral Commission. David Rockefeller was the founder of the Trilateral Commission.
Q: Do you remember what Aaron Russo told us about Nick Rockefeller and the Bilderbergers?
A: I am not an expert on the annual Bilderberg Conference, but many people believe the Bilderbergs are the most powerful secret organization on earth today. Most major politicians make a trip to the Bilderberg meetings before they capture their party’s presidential nominations. Some people believe the Bilderbergs are powerful enough to choose or veto potential world leaders.
The late Aaron Russo was running for governor of Nevada when he became friends with Nick Rockefeller, the son of one of the wealthiest people in the world—Gov. Winthrop Rockefeller. According to Russo, Nick Rockefeller invited him to join the CFR, but he declined. Nevertheless, Rockefeller began to confide in Russo about the plans of the international bankers and how they are shaping the world. Russo said that Rockefeller told him they ultimately plan to inject a computer chip under the skin of every person on earth. The chip would be used for buying and selling. This would give them total control over the activities of every individual! I asked Aaron Russo, “Are you telling me that Nick Rockefeller told you that?” He said, “I promise you, he told me that.” I said, “Why would he tell you that, when you would possibly tell it, and sabotage their whole plan?” He said, “No, they are too powerful. They don’t believe anything can stop them now.”
Q: Who is Strobe Talbot, and how has he used the media to influence world government?
A: In 1992, Strobe Talbot stated in Time magazine, that in the 21st century national sovereignty as we have known it will cease to exist, and we will all answer to a single global authority. Within one year of writing that article, President Clinton brought Strobe Talbot to the White House where he worked by his side for the next seven years. President Clinton knew exactly what he was doing, because he and Strobe Talbot were roommates while both were Rhodes scholars at Oxford University in England.
People in the highest levels of power believe the time has come to change the structure of the world from the nation-state to a global system of government. This process is called globalization. World government is in the process of being implemented right now!
Q: What role does the Federal Reserve play in world government?
A: The planning for the Federal Reserve took place in 1910 when 6 or 7 of the wealthiest men on earth converged secretly on Jekyll Island and wrote the Federal Reserve Act. The Federal Reserve actually came into existence when Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. The Federal Reserve’s goal was to gain control of the financial system of the United States of America. The Federal Reserve Act transferred the minting, production, and control of the United States money supply away from the U.S. government and into the hands of the Federal Reserve. Many people believe that the Federal Reserve is part of the U.S. government. However, this is not true. The Fed is a private central banking system owned by private stockholders.
The only role the government has where the Federal Reserve is concerned is to appoint the chairman. The president has that power, but he always appoints someone recommended to him by the Federal Reserve Board. So that deck is stacked before it ever hits his table. The powers that be—the central bankers, control what the president’s choices are. Once the chairman is appointed, the government has no power over him.
Up until 3 or 4 years ago, the Federal Reserve was required to report once a year on the money supply—how many U.S. dollars were in circulation. Then all of a sudden they made an arbitrary announcement, “We’re not going to report on that anymore.” The reason is likely because they saw the current global financial crisis coming. Money is being printed at an unprecedented rate, and none of us know what the present money supply is. All of that has happened because of the Federal Reserve and its control over the money of the United States of America.
Q: Who was Mayer Amschel Rothchild?
A: Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the Rothschild family international banking dynasty, made the statement, “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who writes her laws.” If you can control the money, you can control the government, you can control the judges; you control everything.
Q: What is the UN Security Council, and who are the nations that make up that council?
A: The prime-movers behind the formation of the United Nations were the five victor nations of World War II. They were the United States, France, Great Britain, China, and the Soviet Union. The real power of the UN is vested in the UN Security Council. These five victor nations gave themselves permanent seats on the Security Council with veto power over any action. Then they created ten temporary seats that would rotate among the different nations of the world. This made a total of fifteen nations that make up the UN Security Council, but the big five is where the power lies. They have the power to levy economic sanctions against a nation. They even have the power to decide on a military invasion of a nation. Every nation that joins the United Nations agrees to submit to that UN structure.
Q: Has there ever been an effort to get rid of the veto power?
A: There is tremendous pressure right now to restructure the UN Security Council. If you have absolute veto power, then you can veto anything that you don’t like. It’s like being a president and enjoying diplomatic immunity through executive orders and signing statements. The five victor nations are very reluctant to give up this veto power since it’s a tremendously privileged position to be in.
I expect the world government planners will begin chipping away at the veto power. It has already been suggested that, in certain cases, there should be two vetoes required instead of one before a resolution is eliminated. Once they do that, they have undermined the veto, and world government will have taken a quantum leap forward.
The United States would be dramatically affected by such a change. Let’s say the UN would vote to invade Israel. If only the U.S. voted against it, the invasion would go forward. Such a scenario could very well take place since the prophecies say that all nations (the UN) will invade Israel at Armageddon (Zechariah 14:2).
Q: What is the Holy Roman Empire, and what does the Bible say about it?
A: The Bible depicts a political leader and a spiritual leader working in partnership in the coming world government. The political leader will be the Antichrist, and the spiritual leader will be the False Prophet. These two leaders will emerge out of a revived Holy Roman Empire.
The Holy Roman Empire was first born in 800 AD. This was an attempt to re-establish the Roman Empire, yet with a religious element included. It began when Pope Leo III placed a crown on the head of Charlemagne, saying, “I now crown you emperor of the Holy Roman Empire!” This gave birth to an empire that would rule Europe, off and on, for the next 1,000 years.
From that time on, the Holy Roman Empire was always ruled by a political leader and a spiritual leader. The political leader was usually the strongest political leader of Europe (most of the time from Germany), and the spiritual leader was always the pope from Rome.
Q: What’s the difference between the Roman Empire that ruled in Jesus’ day and the Holy Roman Empire?
A: The difference between the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire is the religious element. The prophecy, in Daniel chapter 2, foretells which empires would become world empires from the time of Daniel till the time of the second coming of Jesus. These empires were depicted in a dream that King Nebuchadnezzar had about an image made of different metals. Each change of metal symbolized a new empire that would rise up and rule the earth. The legs of iron symbolized the Roman Empire, but the Holy Roman Empire was symbolized by the feet and toes of iron mingled with clay. The clay symbolized the religious element that would be added to the iron.
The present move toward Interfaithism, illustrated by the work of the Tony Blair Faith Foundation, is all designed to bring the world together spiritually as well as politically. This has everything to do with the present one-world governmental system that is being established. In order for a true world government to succeed, it must have a strong religious structure. The world government of the Antichrist will be partnered with a world religious system. That global religious system will be headed by the False Prophet spoken of in scripture.
Q: I’ve heard you say that the Holy Roman Empire will be reborn. Is this happening now?
A: The European Union is the rebirth of the Holy Roman Empire. The European Union, which was formed in 1957 by the Treaty of Rome, was begun as the Common Market. The member countries agreed to dismantle all tariff barriers and to move into economic union. This was achieved by 1992.
The next step was to bring about political union through the Maastricht Treaty, which was signed in 1992. The Maastricht Treaty provided for the establishment of a common currency and for ever-increasing political integration. In 1999 the euro was born.
Today there are 27 member states in the European Union with a population of over 500 million people. Its economy has now surpassed that of the United States. You can drive through the EU from one nation to the other and never stop at a border crossing. EU citizens can move from state to state without permission. They can actually live in one state while working in another. The EU has virtually become a United States of Europe.
The last big step to the full unification of Europe and the rebirth of the Holy Roman Empire was the signing of a European constitution. All 27 member-states met in Lisbon, Portugal on December 13, 2007. In a very elaborate and impressive signing ceremony, a European constitution was signed by all 27 members. It was called the Lisbon Treaty.
In order for the constitution to take force, it has to be ratified by the parliaments of all 27 member-nations. Most of the nations have already ratified the treaty in their parliaments. However, Ireland had a special provision that required it to have a public referendum of the people. When the vote was taken, Ireland voted it down. Now the pressure is on for Ireland to take another vote, which is scheduled for the fall of 2009. If the Irish vote yes, and if the Czech Republic finishes its ratification process, and if the head of Poland signs it, it will come into force.
As soon as this takes place, a president of the European Union will be elected, and the rebirth of the Holy Roman Empire will be complete.
Q: Do European leaders know they are participating in the rebirth of the Holy Roman Empire?
A: Yes! European leaders know very well they are presiding over the rebirth of the empire of Charlemagne. Let me explain: The European Union’s first coin has Charlemagne’s picture on it. The EU awards a “Charlemagne” prize every year to the person that has contributed the most to European unification that year. Europe’s most influential publication, the Economist magazine, has a page called the “Charlemagne” page. Each week, the “Charlemagne” page reports on the latest developments leading toward European unification. Nations that seek to join the EU go to the “Charlemagne” Building in Brussels to hold the negotiations.
Q: Doesn’t the Antichrist rise among ten nations? Do you see a breakup of the European Union coming?
A: From the Bible’s prophecies, we know for sure that there is going to be a ten-nation union. The ten toes of the feet of iron mingled with clay in the Daniel 2 prophecy, symbolize this ten-nation union. The ten horns of the last beast in Daniel 7 symbolize these same ten kings. Verse 24 specifically tells us this. There are 27 member nations right now, so where do we get the ten nations or kings amongst whom the Antichrist will arise?
I am not certain at this time as to how the ten-nation union will be formed. There is a ten-nation union right now within the European Union called the Western European Union. This is the military arm of the EU. It’s possible that the Antichrist will come from the WEU.
There have also been proposals put forward for a two-tiered union. Those who want to move rapidly toward total political and economic unification could move aggressively ahead, while those who are not willing to go as far in surrendering national sovereignty could proceed at a slower pace.
The Bible says the Antichrist will come up among the iron mingled with clay depicting the Holy Roman Empire. Whether he will be the head of the European Union, the head of the United Nations or simply becomes incredibly influential through his outstanding charisma and leadership skills, I cannot answer.
Q: Is the concept of world government good or bad?
A: The concept of World government will be bad until Jesus Christ comes. Someone once said that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The bigger your government and the more centralized it becomes, the more opportunity there will be for corruption and the abuse of power. Until you have a perfect man in leadership, the last thing you want is world government. When you give a flawed man absolute power, the result will be absolute tyranny.
This is exactly what is getting ready to happen. The power of the world government that is now in formation will ultimately fall into the hands of the Antichrist. This will trigger a time of unprecedented political and religious persecution. Jesus called this time the Great Tribulation. He said, “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21).
However, when Jesus comes, He will establish his own world government. Under His reign, the promise of peace on earth, good will toward men will be realized!